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11-25-2020 , 08:37 PM

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Ceres

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Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

that's just a stupid number of sizings, it's counterproductive

You say that, but think how difficult it is to play against someone with 12 exponential gto ranges

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11-25-2020 , 08:43 PM

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ZKesic

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Then how am I supposed to figure out what the optimal sizing is on a certain board?

I honestly thought that everyone does it this way ><

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11-25-2020 , 08:46 PM

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Brokenstars

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That legit matters so little compared to everything else

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11-25-2020 , 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKesic

Then how am I supposed to figure out what the optimal sizing is on a certain board?

I honestly thought that everyone does it this way ><

Compared to sizing, frequency will affect the overall EV much more. Stick to at most two sizing on the flop is enough. If you make your flop play complex, it will be even more complex ott and otr. Playing a well understood and simple strategy is much better than playing a complex, optimal strategy that you know little of.

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11-25-2020 , 09:17 PM

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Start ur solve with many sizing, see which ones the solver prefers (uses 10% of the time or more) and see which ones the solver barely uses (5% or less). Here it’s not too important to solve down to a hi accuracy.

Then resolve the tree only using the significant sizing. Now it is more important to solve down further.

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11-25-2020 , 09:54 PM

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Has anyone solved this yet? What do you guys have for highest EV sizing for the flop?

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11-25-2020 , 09:57 PM

#32

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I solved it.

We don't have much of a raising range on turn, and this hand is always a fold.

Let me know if you get a different result.

I have the same - no raising range OTT vs 75% sizing.

And this a fold at 100% frequency. What are you using for your cbet sizing?

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11-25-2020 , 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I have the same - no raising range OTT vs 75% sizing.

And this a fold at 100% frequency. What are you using for your cbet sizing?

I just put 33 to speed it as I was more focused on the turn.

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11-25-2020 , 11:18 PM

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Makes sense you wouldn't raise turn here very often.

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11-26-2020 , 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I just put 33 to speed it as I was more focused on the turn.

That’s not gonna work

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11-26-2020 , 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hyperknit

That’s not gonna work

You sure?

I ran it again with 33, 66, 75 and 150 on the flop.

Overall results were the same. We don't range bet flop and we never raise villain's turn probe.

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11-26-2020 , 01:22 AM

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We should only min raise the turn at a very small frequency. And K6cc is definitely not a part of that range:

The only size used on the flop is ~25%.

Last edited by ZKesic; 11-26-2020 at 01:27 AM.

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11-26-2020 , 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ZKesic

We should only min raise the turn at a very small frequency. And K6cc is definitely not a part of that range:

The only size used on the flop is ~25%.

Thx for the sim. Yeah so I think i'd just use no raising range if it is that low.

I have small sizing as the best sizing as well OTF.

What do you have for BB probe sizing when the flush completes OTT?

I have 75% and 33% mostly used.

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11-26-2020 , 01:44 AM

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For me 75% is mostly used.

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