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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.52) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($24.65) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | Hands: 51703]
BB ($27.57) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($53.22) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($20.18) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($35.88) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: J J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.75, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $3, BB Folds, CO Calls $2.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.46 effective]
Flop ($6.25): 7 K 5
HERO Bets $2.12 (Rem. Stack: 19.53), CO Calls $2.12 (Rem. Stack: 30.76)

Turn ($10.49): 7 K 5 9
HERO Checks, CO Bets $5.24 (Rem. Stack: 25.52), HERO ?

I probably call and x/f most rivers

I think flop should be bigger, at least 1/2p
turn looks like a x/c, you have AQ/AJ, AXs bd, TT/99 to fold

Why should flop size be bigger? I was always taught on rainbow A/K high boards in 3bet pots we should 1/3 PSB it.

okay cool, thats what i ended up doing. Do you call TT/99 here?

99 is a set on the turn

Well I mean I'm definitely calling 99. EV between JJ and TT is pretty close probably. I'm not really sure whether turn is overbluffed and river is underbluffed by the population or not. My mind tells me yes but my selective memory for all the times I've called in spots like this and given up on blank rivers tells me no.

Not sure how 25z is different but on normal 25NL this is a line that is taken pretty commonly by hands worse than JJ, but with almost no redraw prospect (9x most notably, but others too). It's a weird bet that doesn't actually accomplish much against thinking players but you see it all the time in live poker too. (And I don't think most players at ignition25NL are thinking too much, so maybe it works ok against the population)

I really don't understand these tiny c-bets on boards where you have loads of combos of TPTK, top set and AA in your range and villain doesn't. I check the flop with JJ, and bet at least half pot with a polarized range that can turn some equity.

+1

I don't understand why there's a need to cbet flop w/ JJ on this board

I think your strategy is good - you will bet a larger sizing OTF with a more polarized range (which you should do, polar ranges bet larger sizings) therefore you X JJ.

I think betting a merged range for a smaller sizing is good too, I think JJ can go either way OTF (I think solvers like this too). What you definitely don't want to do is X all your medium strength hands and bet all your strong hands.

Interested in more sizing discussion though.

I don't see anything wrong with checking medium strength hands, and betting strong hands, backdoor-draws, and some air

Yeah, the small sizing and a higher frequency might well be fine. It's just not what I learned, particularly when I was learning with Snowie, as it just uses one sizing. It normally bombed it on Kxx in 3-bet pots. You only need to check a few Kx combos to protect QQ/JJ.

DooDoo plays on completely anonymous sites, he doesn't care about protecting his range/being balanced. How does the question change when we're just thinking in a vacuum?

I don't see anything right with it.

That's not particularly helpful

Hmmm. I just tried putting this spot into Monker/MPS, which uses a fixed sizing of 60% of pot, and it says hero should c-bet 100% of the time with JJ even with the larger size. I am very confused. I'm gonna have to get GTO+ so I can start analyzing DooDoo's hands better.

I mean against observant opponents you can't just play your hand strength, you need to play a range. We have range advantage here as Arty pointed out, we have all AK/AA/KK. We have a 21 combo head start on our opponent so we should be mostly betting, we can't just X TT-QQ and bet our strong hands or we can get super exploited (in anonymous pools I guess we could get away with this but it might start some bad habits).

If i played a hand against you and it went to showdown I'd note you x/c TT-QQ in 3bet pots on Kxx boards. Next time we are in a 3bet pot, i'd just bet flop/turn/river until you call me down. This strategy would print money vs your strategy if you just always folded OTT or river.

It's basically just playing a range, sometimes we do need to give up vacuum EV for our range to make us harder to play against.

yay buy GTO+!

That is weird, I thought it would go with smaller sizing with a merged range.

Plugged it into the solver, with Pokersnowie's ranges for each position.

If the game tree for SB is 1/3 PSB flop, .67 PSB turn, and then .75 or 1.5 PSB river, then .5 PSB all the way for CO:

-It bets JJ and TT like 70% of the time OTF
-Always x's with JJ and TT on a 2h turn
-Folds JJ like 20% of the time to a 0.5 PSB OTT
-Folds TT like 50% of the time to the same bet
-Obviously, these are pretty much functioning as 0ev bluffcatchers

Some other interesting tidbits:
- It mostly bets flop with KK. Only hand it always bets flop with is 55
- When it x's KK OTF, it x/c's
- When it bets KK OTF, it x/c's KK 100% of the time on 2h turn

-It x/r's flop very often. Mostly uses AA, AK, KQ, along with stuff like 88 and A2s. Never sets

Here's SB's range OTT assuming action goes b/c, x https://imgur.com/a/Zsp7i3N

Keep posting these hands doodoo, they're allowing me to get good use out of GTO+ lol

Edit: multiple bet sizing OTF changes the strategy a good deal. Still mostly likes betting small with JJ, but will occasionally bet large https://imgur.com/a/Kfvklw5
I think it's interesting how it basically uses the large bet size for KQ, AK, AA type hands, and the small bet size for sets.

If I make the flop Ks7h5h it mixes in big bets with 77 and 55, but still not KK. Also stops betting big with JJ

The big takeaway here is that a GTO strategy uses JJ and TT as 0ev bluffcatchers OTT. Whether we call or not should be based on whether we think the population is overbluffing or underbluffing here. I'm ambivalent on the Ignition population

Very nice work JR!

I need to go write this down in a notepad somewhere hah. I definitely learned something today. What is the frequency is XR's hands like 88/A2s?

Here are results:

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.52) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HERO ($24.65) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 33.1% | 3-Bet: 14.5% | Hands: 52449]
BB ($27.57) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
UTG ($53.22) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
HJ ($20.18) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]
CO ($35.88) [VPIP: 100% | PFR: 100% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 1]

Dealt to Hero: J J

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.75, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $3, BB Folds, CO Calls $2.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.46 effective]
Flop ($6.25): 7 K 5
HERO Bets $2.12 (Rem. Stack: 19.53), CO Calls $2.12 (Rem. Stack: 30.76)

Turn ($10.49): 7 K 5 9
HERO Checks, CO Bets $5.24 (Rem. Stack: 25.52), HERO Calls $5.24 (Rem. Stack: 14.29)

River ($20.97): 7 K 5 9 4
HERO Checks, CO Checks

I appreciate your work there, Rusty. It would never occur to me to x-raise KQ there (especially if I'm check-calling KK).
I'm gonna have to get a solver, as I'm dropping a bit behind the curve. #AlwaysLearning

This.

Also call turn x/f river