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Standard Flop Shove in 4b pot? Standard Flop Shove in 4b pot?

04-26-2021 , 08:21 AM
Basically trying to get TT and under to fold.



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NL Holdem 0.50(BB)
HERO ($51.12)
BTN ($49.25) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 20.8% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 26]
SB ($7.27) [VPIP: 30.4% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 23]
BB ($52.09) [VPIP: 36.4% | PFR: 22.7% | AGG: 42.9% | Hands: 22]
UTG ($80.80) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 23.1% | AGG: 12.5% | Hands: 26]
HJ ($59.06) [VPIP: 20% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 62.5% | Hands: 26]

Dealt to Hero: A Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $1.25, BTN Raises To $4.50, SB Folds, BB Calls $4, HERO Raises To $13, BTN Folds, BB Calls $8.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.24 effective]
Flop ($30.75): 4 K J
BB Checks, HERO Bets $38.12 (allin)
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04-26-2021 , 09:15 AM
nh
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04-26-2021 , 09:19 AM
feel bit iffy about pre - oop i go 50/50 4b/fold - bb's cold call of 3bet makes me want to fold a lot more not less here, fish can be pretty sticky. we prob dont have the fold equity we need.

AP we can jam so long as we are not splitting our action with our AK KK/AA hands
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04-26-2021 , 09:24 AM
You don't think he folds TT and under vs an $8 bet? I'd never want to shove anything for value here.
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04-26-2021 , 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
You don't think he folds TT and under vs $8?
on ignition? no
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04-26-2021 , 09:27 AM
Then check and only bet the flop for value, I'd say.
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04-26-2021 , 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
You don't think he folds TT and under vs an $8 bet? I'd never want to shove anything for value here.
This. I was thinking half pot though.
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04-26-2021 , 10:03 AM
Depends how many potential bluffs you're getting here with. Of all your potential bluffs, AsQx and AxQs make the most sense as checks to me, as they're the most likely to be ahead, and also those best placed to bluff on spades getting in. However, you may still have to bluff with it if you don't have enough other candidates. All of this is based on the assumption you would jam with AK+, which I'm not sure is ideal, as surely you'll want to check back some portion of that, or use a smaller sizing.
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04-26-2021 , 10:27 AM
Ran a sim and just did my best on BB's range based on my knowledge of Ignition players.

I gave him AQo, AQs, KQs and JJ-88

Did a solve with a 25% cbet (overall EV is 48.85) and another solve with a flop shove (overall EV is 47.65)

I also solved it with both sizes on the flop. It's a range bet, but only shoves at about 23% of the time. However, this exact combo, is shoving 80% of the time.

But the range I gave BB could be way off, so if anyone has a better idea of what range to give him, let me know and I can try it again.
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04-26-2021 , 11:29 AM
22-JJ imo
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04-26-2021 , 03:12 PM
Had a bunch of similar spots to this last night. Apparently there were a ton of fish on ignition cold calling 3 and 4 bets last night. I would say the range is wider than you've solved for honestly. I saw pockets pairs under 88, all kinds of suited connectors, and even QQ-AA. I think you could conceivably give him a range consisting of everything you'd open from CO/BTN
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