How bad is this turn ship?

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BB ($27.65)
UTG ($47.96)
HJ ($22.03)
CO ($15.21)
HERO ($33.69)
SB ($39.88)

Dealt to Hero: 8 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, SB Folds, BB Raises To $3, HERO Calls $2.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.04 effective]
Flop ($6.10): 6 3 7
BB Bets $2.90 (Rem. Stack: $21.75), HERO Calls $2.90 (Rem. Stack: $27.79)

Turn ($11.90): 6 3 7 3
BB Bets $6.91 (Rem. Stack: $14.84), HERO Raises To $27.79 (allin)

I would probably wait for the river and decide. Many two-barrel give up these spots and again you have an open decision on calling or folding river.

Here you put 28 to win 18 and you made his decision pretty easy, if he has an overpair, he can call rest are folds even his flush draws. Like if you have Ax flush draw here I would x/c.

Tricky spot if you have Ax flush draw I guess and you get and get shoved on.

Well anyway, obviously two nonflush draw cards is good to have.

Deny equity on the turn is very important when two flush draw comes in. I will play the same way. wp.
If it is not two flush draw, I will mix some call.

I think the solver will mix decent amount of flush draw check ott for op because op will be in a ugly spot vs a jam with those two over cards + flush draw.

Yeah I think people actually bet their FD's too much here OTT. I could see them betting close to all of them OTF/OTT in real time.

Interesting spot

I actually raise flop here though usually just under the assumption people probably betting a little too often and won't 3b bluff much.

That said not sure about turn, seems close, I guess same logic to flop for turn.

I guess you also raise slight more with TT and JJ otf and turn since you can stack 88 and 99 but 88 cannot stack any underpair.

Turn raise is worse than flop raise, and flop raise is nl2 style

People bet blockers to calling range/good bluffcandidates on either flush completing rivers, weakest FD's and overpairs obviously, you must have balls to call sometimes on bad runout or fold, play poker in general than make monkey shoves with bluffcatchers in "selfdefence"

yeah looks good to me

I like the play, though don't be surprised if TT or JJ shows up.

Sorry mate, I don't understand the logic here. I'm not saying it is wrong, it may very well be a good play. Is there any chance you could talk me through it, I feel like I could benefit from understanding why you played it this way?

unblocking both FD's. A solver would X some FD's OTT but I don't think that's happening in reality.

If we just run a solve - calling OTT is higher EV. But if we nodelock Villain to always betting FD OTF/BDFD OTF and then continuing with his draws OTT then shipping is higher EV.

Imagine if you had a hand like AJss here - you are in a terrible spot.

So did he get there or not?

Thanks, that makes sense, I suppose he'd have to call 2 over+FD, or even 1 over +nutflush draw. How big is the EV difference between the nodelock scenario and the normal scenario?

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BB ($27.65)
UTG ($47.96)
HJ ($22.03)
CO ($15.21)
HERO ($33.69)
SB ($39.88)

Dealt to Hero: 8 8

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, SB Folds, BB Raises To $3, HERO Calls $2.25

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.04 effective]
Flop ($6.10): 6 3 7
BB Bets $2.90 (Rem. Stack: $21.75), HERO Calls $2.90 (Rem. Stack: $27.79)

Turn ($11.90): 6 3 7 3
BB Bets $6.91 (Rem. Stack: $14.84), HERO Raises To $27.79 (allin), BB Calls $14.84 (allin)

River ($61.44): 6 3 7 3 6

Blue is ship/Green is call.

GTO range



Nodelock with BB betting all FD's.

confirmed 2nl.

I don't think we have the value combos to justify this. Our turn raise freq. has got to be relatively low, imo should be built around 66/77/TT region of range as well as back door flush draws, cause they have more equity when called. Can call 88 here comfortably

Are you doing this with other combos of 88? IDK if it was intentional or not but unblocking both flush draws is probably a good thing. Though I'm not sure which suited 8x combos he 3 bets pre aside from A8s, maybe like very low frequency K8s and 98s/89s?

Also, what about raising the flop? We have 66, 77, (33?), and 45s that probably wanna do some raising. I think having a merge-y value raising range makes sense here, cause we also have hands like 88, 99 and maybe TT that wanna raise, even like A7s which is maybe out of line, idk.

I feel like if we jam turn they still have all 88-AA which sigh call? BTW, would 99 and 88 be bad calls in this spot for BB because they block BTNs 89s (bluffs) which can play this way? Would A7s/A6s be better calls because they block your sets and two pairs (don't know if 2 pair even jams)? As played I still like it cause I feel like you put pressure on those overpairs, but I *think* a good player just snap calls? IDK, I'm not a good player lol. But I do know that at microstakes, where people probably aren't bluffing enough in that spot, I personally will sigh call with overpairs despite knowing that their range is probably way more heavily weighted towards sets than it otherwise should be. Maybe people with the same thought process as me but with more discipline will fold overpairs which I *think* prints.

I guess the question at the end of the day is does this get enough folds, assuming he calls all overpairs? What hands do they have in their range that will take this line then fold? Flushdraws? Random broadways? 44 and 55?


P.S. This isn't so much advice as it is a cluster**** of random thoughts about the hand. I don't actually know what I'm talking about so these could all be nonsense. The goal is to ask some questions that may encourage discusion.

I like how you played the hand though. I think I would have done the classic raise flop then not know how to play the rest of the hand

I just call with the other 88 combos.

I don't like having flop raising ranges IP at 100BB in 3bet pots, seems really exploitable to me. Also over the limited sample I have - people are weak when they raise the flop and crumble vs a 3bet jam.

Exploitable in the sense that they can just play jam/fold? I'm not quite sure what you mean.

makes little sense to me
jam combo draws, at least you're in good shape when called

@Doo Doo, this is underbluffed spot, people dont barrel FD that often becouse if called once they dont expect villain to fold on blank turns, so in practice 2nd barrel will be often nuts or hands that have 1 or 0 overs vs your hand and offsuit broadways with little to no SDV blocking both flushes, those hands are not really afraid of bet folding, weak flush draw or shitty 2 overs on paired board are ok bet folds 100bb deep

I meant exploitable in the fact that we now have to split ranges OTF and can get owned by triple barrels since we now have a flop raising range aka our calling range weakens.

But why would we jam a draw when we want him to have a draw? Seems like us having a draw skews his double barrel range more to overpairs.