Ignition - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 193.8 BB
SB: 103.4 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 35)
BB: 351 BB (VPIP: 26.74, PFR: 20.93, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 88)
CO: 138.6 BB (VPIP: 48.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T Q

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has 8 Q

CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.4 BB, 2 players) 7 6 Q
CO checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, CO calls 5.6 BB

Turn: (22.6 BB, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets 16.2 BB, CO raises to 56.8 BB, Hero calls 40.6 BB

River: (136.2 BB, 2 players) J
CO bets 71.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.2 BB

CO shows 8 Q (Two Pair, Queens and Eights)
(Pre 27%, Flop 18%, Turn 66%)
Hero wins 264.8 BB

Against some opponents I guess you could shove ott. Calling can also have some merits in situations vs aggro/balanced players.

This V seems passive, so when he suddenly goes for the pot x/r I assume he usually has us in pretty bad shape, you have no FE, nor the 33% equity needed to continue. However, sometimes people who are passive pre-flop aren't always passive post-flop. He's been limping 1/2 his starting hands so he should have gone post-flop quite a few times. How he has played post-flop so far would be the decisive factor for me.

What's his AF, Agf% ?

It's not pot. We need 29.8% to continue. We have 26% vs. the extraordinarily tight range of 66/77/Q8s/9Ts/45s which makes this a slam dunk call considering implied odds. If we give him all Q8's (which apparently he has), we have 27.55%.

not quite sure, i play on a anonymous site so cant see now, but given he is still shoving all heart rivers and possibly 9 rivers aswell a call is prob better.

So yeah pre close then, wasnt too sure if i butchered a call OTT or not. But glad it wasnt terrible.

Calling turn is fine, don't see any reason to ship the turn since he never fold anything better and by calling we keep his bluffs in and we still have a ton of outs vs his raising range.

I would't shove. I think if you do that they fold all worse and call with all better. As played nice. I think you can get the stack if you hit a straight or flush. Gotta be ready to fold on bricks though.

It's really old but I think Baluga Theorem still holds up in 2019. Limp-call fish not balancing ranges well.

As an aside - what do people think about checking back turn?

I know old mate is a fish and all but I don't know if I'm going for 3 streets with TP middle kicker. I make a lot of money against fish raising limps and getting folds post (and jamming strong value up their ***), not GII with middling hands.

Also not bad to have some good TP, flush, AND straight contenders when we check back turn (not that balance is important against fish - but I think strength of hand is 2 street).

Do people think I miss out on value taking this line?

I dont mind checking back turn either, i think doing so the stacks will still go in with his 2 spair combos etc. But i didnt expect to get raised OTT so i bet with the intention to fold on brick rivers.

Yes i think checking back the turn is a bad play.
CO limp calls pre so his range is pretty trashy, i mean Q8o lol.
I would fire turn again and hope to get called by any pair worse then us basicly.

maybe slightly ramp up the flop if you're going to bet
turn can be larger vs these guys, we're not going anywhere if they raise
looks good otherwise

looks good to me

Nice - I'm not arguing but seeking to understand better. I don't want to bet and hope.

I'm wondering if that turn card really reduces the combos of worse that he has? Q90 for sure. But then you have to go down to Q5, Q4, Q3 etc to get worse. I guess maybe K7o? But then they have to station like crazy.

Weird for him to play 88, 99, TT, JJ etc like that but I guess he can also have those?

At the moment I'm not making TPMK into a 3-street hand at micros. Maybe I should - is that what most people are doing? How is it working out?

Right now I make money from getting a call then fold on flop, going 2 streets with decent hands, and 3 streets with amazing hands and bluffs.

looks good to me.

Anyways i could check ott sometimes to not get raise all in, ofc we are loosing value but on this particular board i would like to check (SOMETIMES), but anyways the hand is pretty standar.

Not only was it not terrible but the call was good because implied odds exist.

That sizing pre as an iso sizing opens you up to light 3 bets. Postflop the hand plays itself.