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10-26-2017 , 01:55 AM

davereedpoker

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 143

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37857080

BTN: $100.93 (100.9 bb)
SB: $97.70 (97.7 bb)
BB: $427.56 (427.6 bb)
UTG: $106.20 (106.2 bb)
MP: $281.02 (281 bb)
Hero (CO): $146.26 (146.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

UTG raises to $2.25, MP folds, Hero calls $2.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $11, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.75

Flop: ($25.25) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $12, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($49.25) K

(2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22

River: ($93.25) A

(2 players)
SB bets $52.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $52.70

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10-26-2017 , 05:08 AM

UpDog

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Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 441

I think vs his sizing on turn, I like a shove as his value range is very thin here and should be sizing up with his whole range. Having said that, if someone were to make a sizing mistake, itd most likely be with a bluff than with a value hand and thus leading me to value shove vs his weak range.

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10-26-2017 , 05:12 AM

AltoZZ

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 796

I'd call this turn.
U wanna keep V range wide and let him barrel off on K turn and rivers...

River is a disaster card for u since V range includes loads of Ax (FD, backdoor FD, maybe some GSSD that barrels turn).
Dunno if this is a call OTR tho...

Any reads from V other than he has 97.7bb at the start of the hand

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10-26-2017 , 06:00 AM

BackdoorQuadsDraw

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Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 404

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Originally Posted by AltoZZ

I agree with this. OTT I don't thibk you're ever getting called by worse when you shove and you have a huge amount of equity in the hand, and position. Before looking at spoiler I was pretty convinced he was showing up with Ax diamonds or hearts here, I think you can find a hero fold.

Also, not that I play this high but I would fold pre to the cold 3bet. I think when you hit your king he's often going to have you dominated here - that's just me though not sure what the general consensus is

Last edited by BackdoorQuadsDraw; 10-26-2017 at 06:10 AM.

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10-26-2017 , 06:52 AM

Bladesman87

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 14,543

I don't see what a turn shove achieves. River looks like a fold.

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10-26-2017 , 07:14 AM

johndoe82

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 93

Don't play this high but I'd 3bet pre.

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10-26-2017 , 10:22 AM

.isolated

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21,495

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Originally Posted by johndoe82

Don't play this high but I'd 3bet pre.

Turn isn't a shove. Stop being results oriented.

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10-26-2017 , 10:50 AM

johndoe82

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 93

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Turn isn't a shove. Stop being results oriented.

What range would you call an open with and then call a squeeze with when the original opener folds? I don't have one. I'm experimenting with a linear 3bet range ip for simplicities sake.

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10-26-2017 , 11:38 AM

JamesBJames

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Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,791

+1 to don't shove turn, +1 to fold river, +1 to don't 3-bet PF.

I really need to work on squeeze spots, but is calling the 3-bet PF fairly standard?

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10-26-2017 , 01:16 PM

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2blackaces

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Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 212

For those against 3betting pre, why not? We fold out AJ and KQ which have us dominated, we can comfortably fold to a 4bet, and if flatted have a very playable hand in position.

Not saying it's definitely the right play but it seems close to me.

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