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Old 09-14-2020, 03:19 AM   #1
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Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

[converted_hand][hand_history]GG Poker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $612.35 (612.4 bb)
SB: $134.53 (134.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $125.31 (125.3 bb)
UTG: $57.25 (57.3 bb)
MP: $116.18 (116.2 bb)
CO: $41.51 (41.5 bb)

SB posts $0.50, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has A T
4 folds, SB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.00, 2 players) T K A
SB bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($10.00, 2 players) T
SB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

River: ($16.00, 2 players) J
SB bets $19.00, Hero raises to $59.50, SB raises to $126.53 and is all-in, Hero ???

My thoughts, on the flop the board greatly favors the raiser and I do low frequency check raising with my 2 pairs. Going to the river, giving his size he is representing straght+ but this still totally uncapped with A(we block A)/K/J boat. Is it to thin to raise with this hand? Facing a 3bet Jam, do we hero call here? No reads on Villain.

GTO wise, we never have KK,AA,JJ,TT here and AT seems to be best hand we have to defend here.
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Old 09-14-2020, 04:52 AM   #2
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

I have no idea how players will approach this spot at this buy in, but would have to be a bluffing a fair amount to make this river call profitable, no? He needs to bluffing over 1 in every 4 and I am really not sure if this is going to be happening as he has such a large amount of value hands.

I don't thinkl a 3bf is bad BvB though, it's not often that you are gonna get hit with the river 3b.
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Old 09-14-2020, 05:11 AM   #3
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

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I have no idea how players will approach this spot at this buy in, but would have to be a bluffing a fair amount to make this river call profitable, no? He needs to bluffing over 1 in every 4 and I am really not sure if this is going to be happening as he has such a large amount of value hands.

I don't thinkl a 3bf is bad BvB though, it's not often that you are gonna get hit with the river 3b.
I am not sure. A random play might do this with straight or full house with TK or TJ? His flop and turn size is pretty small on this kind of board when he have huge nut advantage.
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Old 09-14-2020, 05:33 AM   #4
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

would look to raise turn, get some more money in there
I know it looks tempting to raise river but it's really ambitious
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Old 09-14-2020, 06:11 AM   #5
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

I think we are stacking off here since you are beating 50% of his value range. Also, this is sb vs bb.

Anyway you loose to AA, KK, JJ. 7 combos
Split AT: 2 combos
Win, KT, JT + QT: 8 combos

Put one airish combo of QT in there since it blocks Tx houses and is a straight.

Board: KAT T J
Equity Win Tie
SB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { KK+, JJ, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, JTo }
BB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { AhTc }
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Old 09-15-2020, 01:55 AM   #6
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

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I think we are stacking off here since you are beating 50% of his value range. Also, this is sb vs bb.

Anyway you loose to AA, KK, JJ. 7 combos
Split AT: 2 combos
Win, KT, JT + QT: 8 combos

Put one airish combo of QT in there since it blocks Tx houses and is a straight.

Board: KAT T J
Equity Win Tie
SB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { KK+, JJ, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, JTo }
BB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { AhTc }
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Thanks a lot for the range analysis. This makes sense.
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Old 09-15-2020, 01:56 AM   #7
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would look to raise turn, get some more money in there
I know it looks tempting to raise river but it's really ambitious
Ya. Turn should be a raise but I guess he is going to stack off any way.

He has KK at the end.
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Old 09-15-2020, 04:33 AM   #8
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Thanks a lot for the range analysis. This makes sense.
It is correct if we assume that he is shoving all of his full houses. If we think he is calling with JT/KT then I guess you can fold to the shove, but it seems reasonable for villain to shove these two as well for value.

I think hero has the best hand he can possibly have in this spot.
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:49 AM   #9
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

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I think we are stacking off here since you are beating 50% of his value range. Also, this is sb vs bb.

Anyway you loose to AA, KK, JJ. 7 combos
Split AT: 2 combos
Win, KT, JT + QT: 8 combos

Put one airish combo of QT in there since it blocks Tx houses and is a straight.

Board: KAT T J
Equity Win Tie
SB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { KK+, JJ, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, ATo, KTo, JTo }
BB 50.00% 43.75% 6.25% { AhTc }
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If you where in villain shoes, how wide would you shove for value here?
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:36 AM   #10
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If you where in villain shoes, how wide would you shove for value here?
Are we shoving or calling KT and JT as villain? I dont know, I guess if our opponent is a calling station I would shove both, because he is calling with worse. But I am uncertain.
Both shoving and calling seems fine tbh.
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:01 PM   #11
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If you where in villain shoes, how wide would you shove for value here?
Since I didn't raise on the turn so the Villain will probably discounted my Tx boat here and probably shoving KT or JT here.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:03 PM   #12
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

Call because you never have better, you block AA/TT and there's a slim chance villain has worse for value. Expect to lose a lot though.
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Old 09-17-2020, 02:10 AM   #13
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

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Are we shoving or calling KT and JT as villain? I dont know, I guess if our opponent is a calling station I would shove both, because he is calling with worse. But I am uncertain.
Both shoving and calling seems fine tbh.
no, not vs calling station, if you play vs solid reg, which we can assume OP is. you would shove KT and JT, to get called by what? if we debate in this thread about if hero should call or fold AT here, you think JT can shove for value on this river by Villain?
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Old 09-17-2020, 03:35 AM   #14
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Re: Should I fold full house facing a river 3bet jam?

raise turn call riv, ap snapfold!!
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