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02-14-2018 , 06:33 PM

Scott7x

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iPoker - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 127.22 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 13.56, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 60)
UTG: 113.9 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 68.84 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
Hero (CO): 222.44 BB
BTN: 94.54 BB (VPIP: 17.02, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
SB: 93 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BB checks

Flop: (4.5 BB, 4 players) 4

BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets 4 BB, fold, UTG calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 3 players) Q

UTG checks, MP bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold, MP calls 17 BB

River: (64.5 BB, 2 players) T

MP bets 39.84 BB

Do you think we are good enough of the time to call here?

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02-14-2018 , 08:54 PM

Feng Shui

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 595

Yep and the line is odd to be the flush draw unless it's the Qx draw. I would iso pre as'well vs the limpers.

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02-14-2018 , 09:11 PM

Scott7x

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would have iso'd 55+, or any pocket pair if only one limper. I had both villains labeled as stations, so didn't think I had much FE pre, and 4's play pretty bad multiway.

Thanks for your response. Agreed it is a very strange line for him to have a flush, what do you put him on tho?

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02-14-2018 , 09:20 PM

Feng Shui

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Id iso any pp vs fish to take initiative and to effectively buy the btn. And i put villain on mostly worse hands as for what depends just how fishy they are. Could be anything from AA KK AQ or strong Qx to some weird 2 pair like Q5. Trying to narrow ranges down to much vs a fish can be quite difficult as ranges are so wide. Villain can also have straits and flushes as fish can turn up with surprising hands played in unexpected ways.

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02-14-2018 , 09:27 PM

Bladesman87

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I think the over-limp is completely fine given the table. I think you can consider a slight overbet on the flop too. Hate life on the river, I'm not really in the set-folding business vs. spewy lines but I don't like any option.

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02-15-2018 , 12:40 AM

Scott7x

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Originally Posted by Feng Shui

Could be anything from AA KK AQ or strong Qx to some weird 2 pair like Q5. Trying to narrow ranges down to much vs a fish can be quite difficult as ranges are so wide. Villain can also have straits and flushes as fish can turn up with surprising hands played in unexpected ways.

I think V is a lot more likely to show up with a flush than hands like overpairs, strong Queens, and turned two pairs with this line.
Feels like I have a bluff catcher.

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02-15-2018 , 08:53 AM

tomj

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Touch bigger flop and turn, sigh fold river and move on imo

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02-15-2018 , 09:16 AM

bigdave2304

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I dont play 50nl. At 2nl 5nl i think the river donk bet is always a big hand thats scared to let you check back

Edit: i misread the hand, didnt realize he bet the turn. Weird line. I call its too close

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02-16-2018 , 06:08 AM

Feng Shui

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

I think V is a lot more likely to show up with a flush than hands like overpairs, strong Queens, and turned two pairs with this line.
Feels like I have a bluff catcher.

It's quite a common line for a decent reg to take with 2 pair or decent hands. But being vs a passive fish it's harder to tell but it is an uncommon line for a passive fish to take with a draw. I just couldn't fold this hand vs an unknown fishy looking player.

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02-17-2018 , 12:29 AM

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Scott7x

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Originally Posted by Feng Shui

You think that would be a good line to take from villains perspective with 2 pair?... seriously? First of all they would have to limp pre with q5/q4/q8 or a suited connector that flopped 2pr and not bet flop.

Then donk the turn, call a raise, and donk again all in on a river where they lose to my whole range.

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02-17-2018 , 04:37 AM

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Scott7x

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And Vs a fish , given stacks I expect them to 3 bet all in 2 pair + on the turn, not wait till the river to get it in on a board this wet.

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02-18-2018 , 01:02 AM

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Scott7x

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anyways, I folded and villain showed his hand, which was something no one on the forum even suggested (not that it should have been). It was a hand that made no sense at all, but at the same time is the only hand that makes any sense (imo).

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02-18-2018 , 06:21 AM

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tomj

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decent fold imo, there are like at least 30 flush combos, and if he floats QT on flop why not J9.

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02-18-2018 , 08:47 AM

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Feng Shui

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

Obviously i'm not talking about a good reg limping with junk but rather the turn line in general. And i think this player type leads turn with top pair and some strange 2 pair like Q5 rather than draws or better hands. QT is certainly within the range of hands i suggested.

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02-18-2018 , 05:28 PM

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Scott7x

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Yea but 2 pair gets it in on the turn. And a single top pair doesn’t donk jam river. This leaves u with only QT as hands that take this line that aren’t a flush .

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02-18-2018 , 06:14 PM

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Feng Shui

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I think your giving villain to much credit.

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02-18-2018 , 11:04 PM

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Scott7x

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Originally Posted by Feng Shui

I think your giving villain to much credit.

And I don’t think your giving V enough credit. Your putting hands in his range that never take this line just to justify a call.

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02-19-2018 , 08:30 AM

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Feng Shui

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

Yea but 2 pair gets it in on the turn. And a single top pair doesn’t donk jam river. This leaves u with only QT as hands that take this line that aren’t a flush .

What about T8. Your trying to give credit to villain for being a thinking player on some lvl and they aren't . They floated QhTh on 4c 8s 5c multi way which is the kind of terrible decision i expect from this player type. I also expect turn and river decisions to be just as terrible, and i just assign a wider range than perhaps your assigning yourself. I expect to see flushes but i expect to see more than enough worse hands to justify a call.

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