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06-14-2018 , 02:35 PM

cantor1987

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Line check. Not sure what is best on the turn guy has reggish stats over small sample. Think he 3bets 99 some % of the time.

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37934616

UTG: $18.11 (113.2 bb)
MP: $15.51 (96.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.72 (160.8 bb)
BTN: $12.64 (79 bb)
SB: $18.35 (114.7 bb)
BB: $32.35 (202.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.24

Flop: ($1.28) 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BTN folds, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.88) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.08, BB raises to $6.72, Hero calls $4.64

River: ($16.32) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $24.43 and is all-in, Hero calls $17.80 and is all-in

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06-14-2018 , 03:12 PM

sossinbergs

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 519

I don't think we can get away from a set on this runout. Basically all the draws missed and we have one of the best hands we can have here.

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06-14-2018 , 03:18 PM

cantor1987

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Thanks for feedback. Do you think 3betting turn is a option or do then we start to fold out villians bluffs ?

If Villian is never bluffing river and only does with value which is my population read so far, can we still call?

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06-14-2018 , 03:59 PM

sossinbergs

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Originally Posted by cantor1987

I personally don't ever 3-bet in these spots, because we then have to balance our 3-bet range with bluffs and also balance our calling range with some goods hands as well. By calling with our entire range facing the turn raise there is no way for us to be exploited.

If the villain is never bluffing you still have to ask yourself if they would make this play with a hand like 96s or 63s or 22. If you have a read that V is a straightforward TAG player, I don't mind finding a fold as they probably show up with 45s or 99 here a bunch.

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06-14-2018 , 05:20 PM

whitemares

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Originally Posted by sossinbergs

I see where you’re going with this and I agree with not 3betting for a few reasons, but villain can certainly still exploit us if we only call when continuing

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06-14-2018 , 05:29 PM

sossinbergs

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Originally Posted by whitemares

I see where you’re going with this and I agree with not 3betting for a few reasons, but villain can certainly still exploit us if we only call when continuing

How?

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06-14-2018 , 05:56 PM

whitemares

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Originally Posted by sossinbergs

How?

We can still be defending too much or too little of our range

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06-14-2018 , 06:49 PM

sossinbergs

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Originally Posted by whitemares

We can still be defending too much or too little of our range

Yes, that's true, I assumed that we were calling here with the mathematically correct number of hands. I guess what I meant to say is if we call here our range would be uncapped.

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06-14-2018 , 08:50 PM

Mohsen

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It is a call
BUT
No, all the draws didn't miss
Flop open ender got there
Turn open ender (75s) got there as well
Some gotter balls got there on the 8 as well
But still, it is a call

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06-14-2018 , 09:24 PM

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sossinbergs

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Originally Posted by Mohsen

It is a call
BUT
No, all the draws didn't miss
Flop open ender got there
Turn open ender (75s) got there as well
Some gotter balls got there on the 8 as well
But still, it is a call

Yes you're right, some straight draws got there. I was trying to say the main draw (flushdraw) didn't get there.

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06-15-2018 , 01:06 AM

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Ojune

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Calling with entire range will get us exploited as it's not theoretically optimal. We probably have to 3bet at a very low frequency though and I'd also simply call with all my continuing range.

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06-15-2018 , 09:46 AM

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sossinbergs

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Originally Posted by Ojune

Calling with entire range will get us exploited as it's not theoretically optimal. We probably have to 3bet at a very low frequency though and I'd also simply call with all my continuing range.

Just because something isn't GTO doesn't mean we will be exploited. If something isn't balanced then we could be exploited but balance and GTO are two very different concepts. The fact that it isn't GTO means it's not the most plus EV line we could possibly take.

I agree that calling with our entire range here probably isn't GTO, and that it is a simplification since the real GTO strategy in this spot is probably too complex to realistically implement.

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06-17-2018 , 10:24 PM

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AlanBostick

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If it isn't GTO it is, ipso facto, exploitable. That's what GTO means, unexplotable play.

GTO play is balanced. Not all balanced play is GTO. Some balanced play is not GTO and therefore exploitable.

Balanced play, whether or not it is GTO, is more difficult to exploit than unbalanced play.

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06-17-2018 , 11:09 PM

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Ojune

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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