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08-02-2021 , 03:00 PM

DooDooPoker

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Bovada / Ignition, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

Seat 3 (UTG): $25.21 (50 bb)
Seat 4 (MP): $71.71 (143 bb)
Seat 5 (CO): $48.59 (97 bb)
Seat 6 (BU): $54.10 (108 bb)
Seat 1 (SB): $61.34 (123 bb)
Hero (BB): $54.28 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero (Hero) is BB with 5♥ 6♦
4 players fold, Seat 1 (SB) raises to $1.50, Hero (BB) calls $1

Flop: ($3) Q♣ 4♦ 7♦ (2 players)
Seat 1 (SB) checks, Hero (BB) bets $2.14, Seat 1 (SB) calls $2.14

Turn: ($7.28) J♠ (2 players)
Seat 1 (SB) checks, Hero (BB) bets $10.42,

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08-02-2021 , 05:59 PM

tombos21

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Why did you choose a large size on the flop?

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08-02-2021 , 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tombos21

Why did you choose a large size on the flop?

I thought a solver would split more than it does. It likes going small mostly. I think in the future I'll just use a small sizing here -

I'm just starting to implement these OB's in my game for SBvsBB

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08-02-2021 , 06:55 PM

tombos21

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Flop seems like a spot where your hand wants to go big but your range wants to go small

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08-02-2021 , 07:42 PM

Haizemberg93

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1/2 or 1/3 sizing works form exploitative perspective as well. SB should defend close to mdf and xr like 15%+ and people folde much more and don't xr enough.

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08-03-2021 , 01:37 PM

ChiTownBubba

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Ignition pool plays this spot as a x/f 45% +/- (*not texture specific)

Ignition pool plays this spot as a x/r 8% +/- (*not texture specific)

In general, I would stick to the 1/3 to 1/2 pot approach on this flop and take it from there. Bottom line is this....they are not going to come anywhere even remotely close to what a solver would do here.

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08-03-2021 , 03:31 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by ChiTownBubba

Thanks for those numbers. Yeah I am going to stick to a 1/3 approach in the future.

How many hands was your DB to get those x/f and x/r stats?

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08-03-2021 , 08:18 PM

2021shipit

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bet with hand might be good at x frequency but you're probably overbluffing

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08-04-2021 , 03:04 AM

yasuo

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i prefer strong draws to OB like T9 with a diamond which also block some Qx. assuming this is low frequency with 56?

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08-04-2021 , 10:28 AM

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08-07-2021 , 12:44 AM

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Akromah

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Nice to see you moving up DDP.

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08-07-2021 , 08:07 AM

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Franchise804

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J is a better card for villains range than ours, xb turn. JJ, QJ, AJ, KJ

Are you checking back OESD w/out backdoor flushdraw on the flop?

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08-08-2021 , 10:09 PM

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FutureInsights

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I prefer not that combo in my BB defend range. 98o is the lowest I would go. normal solvers would probably not overbet turn here, so no, I would not call it standard line.

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08-09-2021 , 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FutureInsights

I prefer not that combo in my BB defend range. 98o is the lowest I would go. normal solvers would probably not overbet turn here, so no, I would not call it standard line.

Once I again I don't think you're using your solver correctly as this is a pretty straightforward ob spot.

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08-09-2021 , 02:21 PM

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troloyolo

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Originally Posted by tombos21

Why did you choose a large size on the flop?

I'd choose 1/3 to rep 7x better. We're following through with 56 on pretty much every turn so I'm happy to keep v's range wide on the flop.

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08-10-2021 , 03:36 AM

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tombos21

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Originally Posted by troloyolo

I'd choose 1/3 to rep 7x better. We're following through with 56 on pretty much every turn so I'm happy to keep v's range wide on the flop.

1/3 is fine here. However, I don't think it's about trying to rep 7x, so much as it's about trying to find an "efficient sizing".

I think sizing in general has a lot to do with leveraging the inelasticity of villains range, and targeting a certain hands class for indifference. But that's easier said than done.

This particular straight draw doesn't mind a larger size in a vacuum. if you're gonna polarize on the flop then the turn is a definite overbet spot. The problem is that it's hard to disguise this line properly as most of your flop range prefers a more linear strategy.otf.

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