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03-23-2021 , 03:48 PM
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Thoughts every street + sizing

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($109.25)
BTN ($31.07)
SB ($25.35)
HERO ($28.14)
UTG ($26.36)
HJ ($34.24)

Dealt to Hero: 5 K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.75, HERO Calls $0.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.4 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 9 2 4
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.43 (Rem. Stack: $25.96), SB Calls $1.43 (Rem. Stack: $23.17)

Turn ($4.36): 9 2 4 J
SB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($4.36): 9 2 4 J J
SB Checks, HERO Checks
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03-23-2021 , 04:02 PM
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Hello!

Flop: you can do everything here. Check behind, bet small and bet big.

Turn: as played OTF, according to my simulation, we should almost always bet big (~90%) here.

River: As played OTT, this is a pure check.

Best regards, mate.
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03-23-2021 , 05:07 PM
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You don't need to run a sim to tell you you should bet the turn imo. You can call a check raise and you still lose a lot. I'd probably bluff the river considering villains probably arne't protecting range enough.
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03-23-2021 , 06:55 PM
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I checked the sim and river you can bet, solver is checking 90% in my sim, including almost all boats and Q+high flushes and half the jacks combos
nobody does that, their x range is going to be ripe for raping, don't need to bet big either, you're not worried about him folding 9x, it's all the weak pairs and Ahighs you care about
also flop is kinda big, he has to xf to a mid sized bet quite a lot regardless, Ahighs w/o the diamond are meh calls vs mid
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03-23-2021 , 07:06 PM
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I checked the sim and river you can bet, solver is checking 90% in my sim, including almost all boats and Q+high flushes and half the jacks combos
nobody does that, their x range is going to be ripe for raping, don't need to bet big either, you're not worried about him folding 9x, it's all the weak pairs and Ahighs you care about
also flop is kinda big, he has to xf to a mid sized bet quite a lot regardless, Ahighs w/o the diamond are meh calls vs mid
So you go mid sized OTF?

He ended up having AA in game which surprised me.
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03-23-2021 , 07:10 PM
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ye I go mid sized on these boards
idk if smaller isn't better, I'm not that invested in bvb, but pretty sure pot+ isn't really a thing
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03-23-2021 , 07:12 PM
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ye I go mid sized on these boards
idk if smaller isn't better, I'm not that invested in bvb, but pretty sure pot+ isn't really a thing
What's your cbet sizing for SB in this spot?
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03-23-2021 , 07:14 PM
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03-24-2021 , 02:13 AM
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After betting flop and picking up a lot of equity we have to bet turn and barrel river.
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03-24-2021 , 06:32 AM
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After betting flop and picking up a lot of equity we have to bet turn and barrel river.
Not that simple, you can't just bet every flush draw whenever you have one
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03-24-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Not that simple, you can't just bet every flush draw whenever you have one
what would be a better turncard to bluff barrel?
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03-24-2021 , 04:06 PM
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Hey guys,what about 3bet pre?
if call for me good line 1/2 pot flop,continue turn around 80% or overbet , and check this bad river
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03-24-2021 , 05:42 PM
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Hey guys,what about 3bet pre?
if call for me good line 1/2 pot flop,continue turn around 80% or overbet , and check this bad river
From the charts I have small suited Kx doesn’t get 3bet bvb. I’m not sure why exactly but that’s what I have.
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03-24-2021 , 05:58 PM
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what would be a better turncard to bluff barrel?
Doesn't really have anything to do with the turn card

Has to do with the fact that you have to x some % of your flush draws on any given turn. If you bet all of your flush draws ott, then you won't have any flushes when you x and a diamond hits
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03-24-2021 , 06:02 PM
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Wow I'm shocked SHOCKED you didn't 3b suited K BBvsSB. Paying rake in micros, uncool.
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03-24-2021 , 07:43 PM
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Wow I'm shocked SHOCKED you didn't 3b suited K BBvsSB.
He's likely to be playing a mixed strat with this hand preflop.
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03-25-2021 , 10:49 AM
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Wow I'm shocked SHOCKED you didn't 3b suited K BBvsSB. Paying rake in micros, uncool.
All charts i saw have small Kx as a pure call against a 3x Open from SB. Our 3-betting range wants to be very polar against the SB Open, and (even in an high rake environment) the small Kx are good enough to call ip, right? We can 3-bet small Jx (maybe Tx), or with tighter ranges, the small Qx i think. Let me know if i am wrong.

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03-25-2021 , 11:10 AM
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All charts i saw have small Kx as a pure call against a 3x Open from SB. Our 3-betting range wants to be very polar against the SB Open, and (even in an high rake environment) the small Kx are good enough to call ip, right? We can 3-bet small Jx (maybe Tx), or with tighter ranges, the small Qx i think. Let me know if i am wrong.

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You are right.

Almost all weak Axs/Kxs are pure calls in the BB. The problem with 3betting too many Axs/Kxs is if we flop top pair we have a bluff catcher if the pot get's big/will be dominated often.

Suited hands also play better postflop as we flop a FD ~11% of the time. That's why we 3bet weak Axo often but call Axs ones.
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03-25-2021 , 02:25 PM
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Doesn't really have anything to do with the turn card

Has to do with the fact that you have to x some % of your flush draws on any given turn. If you bet all of your flush draws ott, then you won't have any flushes when you x and a diamond hits
but these are anonymous tables - so no balancing necessary.
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03-26-2021 , 11:11 AM
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You are right.

Almost all weak Axs/Kxs are pure calls in the BB. The problem with 3betting too many Axs/Kxs is if we flop top pair we have a bluff catcher if the pot get's big/will be dominated often.

Suited hands also play better postflop as we flop a FD ~11% of the time. That's why we 3bet weak Axo often but call Axs ones.
why is snow showing then mixed freqs for low Kxs? K5s is 15% 3b and 85% call according to snowie. K2s-K3s have over 70% 3b. This is not a typical polarized 3betting range. It's actually pretty depolarized, because we're in position facing a wide opening range from the sb.

https://gyazo.com/d5ce72eaaf420dbdaf87c6a95326aebd
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03-26-2021 , 11:39 AM
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why is snow showing then mixed freqs for low Kxs? K5s is 15% 3b and 85% call according to snowie. K2s-K3s have over 70% 3b. This is not a typical polarized 3betting range. It's actually pretty depolarized, because we're in position facing a wide opening range from the sb.

https://gyazo.com/d5ce72eaaf420dbdaf87c6a95326aebd
Snowie isn't GTO
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03-26-2021 , 11:51 AM
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why is snow showing then mixed freqs for low Kxs? K5s is 15% 3b and 85% call according to snowie. K2s-K3s have over 70% 3b. This is not a typical polarized 3betting range. It's actually pretty depolarized, because we're in position facing a wide opening range from the sb.

https://gyazo.com/d5ce72eaaf420dbdaf87c6a95326aebd
Snowie is a poker bot, but not a solver
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03-26-2021 , 12:29 PM
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Not to get into a range war, but I've been taught our BB 3bet range should be as wide as possible. Logic being: if you can 3bet pretty much most of your calling range a tiny % consistently we have full board coverage (against SB's wide but narrower calling range)

I have K8s-K2s at ~10%. Not too annoying to RNG when you get used to it.
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