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SB3bet vs HJ spot OTT 200BB+ Deep SB3bet vs HJ spot OTT 200BB+ Deep

05-26-2020 , 03:08 PM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker HUD and Database Software

NL Holdem $0.50(BB)
BTN ($102.47) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 37.3% | Flop Agg: 44.1% | Turn Agg: 29.6% | River Agg: 36.4% | 3-Bet: 9.5% | 4-Bet: 18.2% | Hands: 271]
HERO ($105.21) [VPIP: 24.7% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 34.1% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 27.2% | River Agg: 31% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 54% | 4-Bet: 16.6% | Hands: 244330]
BB ($143.26) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 66.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 33.3% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($57.00) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 13.4% | AGG: 43.2% | Flop Agg: 65% | Turn Agg: 22.2% | River Agg: 12.5% | 3-Bet: 2.8% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 207]
HJ ($129.13) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 46.2% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 15.8% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 42]
CO ($35.37) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 3]

Dealt to Hero: J K

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $1.12, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $5.11, BB Folds, HJ Calls $3.99

Hero SPR on Flop: [9.34 effective]
Flop ($10.72): 8 2 J
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $3.61 (Rem. Stack: 120.41), HERO Calls $3.61 (Rem. Stack: 96.49)

Turn ($17.94): 8 2 J 9
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $13.70 (Rem. Stack: 106.71), HERO ?
SB3bet vs HJ spot OTT 200BB+ Deep Quote
05-26-2020 , 03:30 PM
idk what else u x otf but fold now I guess
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05-26-2020 , 03:39 PM
Size is a little big, but I'm ok with it pre-flop.

Fold?

If you call, we have the plan to call a lot of rivers.

We played the hand so passive. Our hand looks like AK/AQ/TT

If we call turn. We have to call a lot of rivers.

Our hand range looks so odd, we have few flush draws and we have rarely any overpairs. What does our flop check range look like?

In your case, you got KJ(non spades) Are you checking KsJs?

Then you got maybe JJ checks here?

If we're going to check hands like KcJc, we're checking TT? 99? Certainly we're betting 88.

Are we checking overpairs? Probably not.

A villain can profitably just triple barrel here with his entire call range vs your flop check range if you don't add in enough good hands. Which I think is fine, to be a bit exploitative given you only have 40 hands on the guy.
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05-26-2020 , 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ionutd
idk what else u x otf but fold now I guess
I haven't solved it yet but we should be checking this flop a lot given the SPR
SB3bet vs HJ spot OTT 200BB+ Deep Quote
05-26-2020 , 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I haven't solved it yet but we should be checking this flop a lot given the SPR
I don't hate the check, I think it's fine.

The issue you're going to run into, you're not going to have enough good hands checking here vs a competent player @ this depth.

So you're going to have to get comfortable checking some overpairs and calling them down even on weird runouts. I probably pick my least vulnerable overpairs like AA and maybe some KK vs more aggressive opponents.
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05-26-2020 , 03:45 PM
Also do you ever have a c/r range here? If so, what's that look like? I'm not sure we should have one.
SB3bet vs HJ spot OTT 200BB+ Deep Quote
05-26-2020 , 03:47 PM
I think you should still mostly bet flop, despite the spr
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05-26-2020 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
I think you should still mostly bet flop, despite the spr
You win the thread. Looks like this is still a range cbet even at this SPR.

Interesting.
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05-26-2020 , 04:07 PM
I think there are SPR thresholds which change strategy a decent amount but haven't studied it enough to know where they are.
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05-26-2020 , 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You win the thread. Looks like this is still a range cbet even at this SPR.

Interesting.
What the hell do your ranges look like

This wouldnt even be a range cbet at 100bb eff for me lol so god knows what it'd be at this spr
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05-26-2020 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IMaWIZARD
What the hell do your ranges look like

This wouldnt even be a range cbet at 100bb eff for me lol so god knows what it'd be at this spr
I think the reason it isn't a range cbet at 100BB's is because you want to cbet big at 4 SPRish on this board texture. So our bet frequency goes down.

But we would never cbet big in this spot so our frequency goes up. We are also changing our preflop ranges based on stack size so we 3bet a stronger range OOP.

Just one clear example is we never have AQo in our 3bet range at 200BB but we always do at 100BB.
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05-26-2020 , 04:16 PM
Oh i mean if you have the 200bb pf ranges then please enlighten us! I never bothered with deep poker (ran some ranges but it gave me a **** headache haha, 100bb complex enough)

And yes the point you make about spr/sizing is valid
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05-26-2020 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IMaWIZARD
Oh i mean if you have the 200bb pf ranges then please enlighten us! I never bothered with deep poker (ran some ranges but it gave me a **** headache haha, 100bb complex enough)

And yes the point you make about spr/sizing is valid
Yeah i am in the middle of re-doing all my sims so it is a major pain in the a.ss right now.

There's just a lot less aggressive actions OOP and more aggressive actions IP.

This is on every street so preflop/flop. We cbet smaller OOP and we 3bet stronger ranges OOP. Likewise we 3bet more IP and our cbet frequency goes up at deeper stacks IP - while OOP XR frequencies plummet.
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05-26-2020 , 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRusty
I think you should still mostly bet flop, despite the spr
What about KJo with ?
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