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03-20-2019 , 10:07 PM

sixsevenoff

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50 NL, Ignition, 6 max. Villain is in his first rotation and hero has no reads. Effective stack size is $50.

Hero is UTG and opens 9c8c $1.50 and only villain BTN calls.

Flop ($3.75): 8h 5d 2h. Hero bets $2.50 and villain calls.

Turn ($8.75): 8c. Hero bets $5.50 and villain calls.

River ($19.75): Jd. Hero?

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03-20-2019 , 10:36 PM

M1ndGam3

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After the turn I think oppo has value..his range could be 99 TT (JJ?) A5 77 66 maybe some A3s A4s AJs..so I think we can value bet..his range represent not much strong..so I think the perfect size could be 1/3 max 1/2 pot... obviously to fold to a raise..he can have 55 22 JJ A8s? J8s?

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03-20-2019 , 11:10 PM

xamlop

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$27.8.

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03-21-2019 , 07:53 AM

Gabe16

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We unblock a lot of hands that call turn and fold river. We have some check calls, so I’d probably try an x/r line.

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03-21-2019 , 08:45 AM

Unsporting

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Originally Posted by Gabe16

We unblock a lot of hands that call turn and fold river. We have some check calls, so I’d probably try an x/r line.

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What are you getting called by x/r? You get owned by boats and better 8x and all worse hands fold

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03-21-2019 , 09:09 AM

Flpmethntsdlr

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Isn't the flop bet on the bigger side for your range on this texture?

I'd bet again otr. Little over half with a lot of my range.

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03-21-2019 , 09:11 AM

Unsporting

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12 seems good

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03-21-2019 , 09:25 AM

Gabe16

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Originally Posted by Unsporting

What are you getting called by x/r? You get owned by boats and better 8x and all worse hands fold

What 8x do you think a btn call should have? Unless there was an exploitative reason to call them not much.

If players are that nitty that we only get called by fh and better 8x we should exploit x/r bluff at a higher frequency.

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03-21-2019 , 09:28 AM

Unsporting

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Originally Posted by Gabe16

Unless villain is a spewtard then yes boats and 8x is all that’s calling

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03-21-2019 , 09:31 AM

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Gabe16

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Originally Posted by Unsporting

Unless villain is a spewtard then yes boats and 8x is all that’s calling

Then get bluffing right?

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03-21-2019 , 09:51 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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V doesn't have any 8x...

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03-21-2019 , 10:21 AM

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Gabe16

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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr

V doesn't have any 8x...

He should have a small amount? Depending on pre flop btn calling ranges.

But yeah most get raised before river at some point.

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03-21-2019 , 11:00 AM

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5trang3

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How is the turn 8c lol if we have 98cc ??

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03-21-2019 , 12:57 PM

#14

Acryl2

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Bet 33% / call a raise

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03-21-2019 , 01:09 PM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by 5trang3

How is the turn 8c lol if we have 98cc ??

Well, that certainly changes things.

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03-21-2019 , 02:21 PM

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sixsevenoff

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Sorry it was 8s. I wasn't ever considering checking, but more or less how much to bet. What do you think of overbetting in this spot? We have a fair amount of bluffs in our range.

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03-21-2019 , 02:45 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Jamming, I think. But checking to let him bluff hearts is viable too.

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03-21-2019 , 02:58 PM

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jimmyb23

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Ugly hand to be betting OOP on all streets. Personally I don't like putting money early in the pot with TP(Low Card like 8)/Low Kicker even in position. You also have no reads on your opponent so you can't tell whether he's a fish or a decent player. I would have checked turn to keep the pot low with the idea of check calling river. Or you could have checked flop and bet turn then check calling river.

Other ways to cash in and this is not the hand you want to go big with.

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03-21-2019 , 04:41 PM

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Gabe16

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Jamming, I think. But checking to let him bluff hearts is viable too.

X/r or x/c?

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03-21-2019 , 04:42 PM

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Gabe16

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Originally Posted by jimmyb23

This seems really nitty to me?

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03-21-2019 , 04:58 PM

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jimmyb23

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Like I said without reads on your opponent you can't tell whether he has an OP or an 8 with a better kicker if he's floating with those hands. Personally I don't like risking that much money OOP vs unknown, and that is not the same as being nitty. Not to mention if he does hit on the river with a straight or flush you lose less by keeping the pot small with a very weak pair.

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03-21-2019 , 05:38 PM

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jimmyb23

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My bad I was thinking he had a pair of 8's the whole time LOL.

I'd still check the river to induce a bluff other than that I think you played it optimally. He wouldn't call you with anything less than 8x (better kicker) and he won't call a bet with failed flush or straight draw. So inducing a bluff seems like the best option IMO.

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03-22-2019 , 06:02 AM

#23

ionutd

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x/c river ap

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03-22-2019 , 04:03 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by Gabe16

X/r or x/c?

Depends on villain's sizing, but you probably want to check-jam boats/quads (and a couple of bluffs), and x-call trips.

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03-22-2019 , 04:07 PM

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DooDooPoker

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Probably check flop but betting can be okay. As played x/c. We block 99 which is important so we make more by letting him bluff 76s/hearts.

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