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05-12-2021 , 07:45 AM

aner0

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SRP BTN vs BB 2.5x open

Hero is BTN 5

Flop: A

5.5bb
XX

Turn: 2

Villain bets 10bb, I raise to 30bb, Villain calls

River: 2

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05-12-2021 , 08:07 AM

.isolated

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I rate it a DNegs.

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05-12-2021 , 08:12 AM

ionutd

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what was the idea

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05-12-2021 , 08:29 AM

Ramius

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we need 2x or bigger overbet to get guy out of A?

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05-12-2021 , 08:58 AM

2021shipit

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did u win?

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05-12-2021 , 09:01 AM

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Villain is calling 20bb to win 45.5bb = 2.25:1 value:bluff ratio for us.

Assuming you fold A2o pre your value range here is A2s and 22 = 5 combos, so we need 2 bluff combos.

Would go with 8s5s and 8d5d since A8 is one of villain's stronger Ax combos.

Rate my maths out here

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05-12-2021 , 09:17 AM

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My initial thought was that calling turn would be more profitable with this hand, but I really like the blockers/unblockers with this hand, and you do have a pair+gutshot. Assuming 100bb stacks, in my view you're going to have to jam the river, because with what you are repping, I don't think you'll have too many better bluffs as you will have a lot of bluffs which want to give up, and you really want to get some of villain's Ax to fold. I think this play is particularly good against slightly nitty villains, as the more Ax villain folds, the more profitable this play gets thanks to the blockers you have.

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05-12-2021 , 09:40 AM

DooDooPoker

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I wonder what a solver's raising range is here % wise - probably less than 5% vs an almost 2x probe sizing.

I think the problem with raising is we can't even raise hands like A2s vs that sizing. It's pretty much 34s/22 and even 22 seems thin.

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05-12-2021 , 10:06 AM

Franchise804

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I think the problem with raising is we can't even raise hands like A2s vs that sizing. It's pretty much 34s/22 and even 22 seems thin.

Good point. So do you xb 34s combos on this flop? Like, the ones without a backdoor flushdraw?

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05-12-2021 , 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchise804

Good point. So do you xb 34s combos on this flop? Like, the ones without a backdoor flushdraw?

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I don't even have 43s as an open OTB with 2.5x sizing.

Flop can be played as a bet small spot or bet big spot.

I assume 43s is mixed either way. If we bet big the 43hh is probably checked back because of reverse implied odds.

I wouldn't have a raising range OTT here though. If a solver does something <5% of the time I just do it 0% of the time unless I am exploiting something.

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05-12-2021 , 11:43 AM

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aner0

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My idea was that villain here is draw heavy, specially with me blocking 55, J5, A5, 52 so I want to get value from some draws, deny equity from others, and fold out some better hands like AT and the weakest two pairs. Then I just check river to beat strong draws.

It surprised me to find that it's solver approved tho

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05-12-2021 , 11:46 AM

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2021shipit

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Originally Posted by aner0

but did u win?

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05-12-2021 , 11:52 AM

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aner0

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Originally Posted by 2021shipit

but did u win?

I leave that up to ur imagination

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05-12-2021 , 12:41 PM

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IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

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Are you playing this flop as an OB or check? Or OB or large bet or check if using multiple sizings?

Or is overbetting this flop too ambitious since they can still have most AJo and A5o?

Is the river check back a 'I give up and have better (or rather worse) hands to bluff' check back, or a 'I have enough SDV'?

Edit: Ah I see, so the check back actually wins against some give ups like Kxhh or Qxhh

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05-12-2021 , 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

I pot/check flop

River is a SDV check

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05-12-2021 , 12:50 PM

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IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

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Originally Posted by aner0

I pot/check flop

River is a SDV check

I see,

is this simply not an overbet spot, or do you just not implement that sizing here?

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05-12-2021 , 01:03 PM

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aner0

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Originally Posted by IIlllIlIllIIlIlllI

I see,

is this simply not an overbet spot, or do you just not implement that sizing here?

You can small overbet, but close to pot. It's not the end of the world if you use a differnt sizing either

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05-12-2021 , 01:38 PM

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oh thought it was bvb
ye it's perfectly fine
I've been running ppl over for some time raising probes like a monkey and this vs players who actually know what they're doing
in fact one of the reasons I expanded the list of flops I have a checking range on, nvm betting range for a measly size and working on min maxing minute edges when there are bigger treasures down the road

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