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Old 12-13-2007, 06:14 PM   #1
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Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

Sup homies?

Aight, everyone imagine your back in highschool during those gay pep rallies where you half-heartedly cheer for whatever grade your in when in actuality you're really just fantasizing about banging the hottest cheerleaders.

Well without that in mind when you sit down at your computer, and decide to fire up one of those sessions just keep in mind the cheer outlined in the title. B--------E---------AAAAAAAAAAAAGRESSIVE!

I know you guys hear this (everywhere from untold people, (but I haven't done a pooh bah and I my as well reiterate it), but then you think "but fonkey what spots should I be aggressive in?" Well listen up little homies, NO ONE AT UNL ADJUSTS!!!!!!!!! Okay maybe there is the .0000232% that do occasionally 3 bet QJs when you're running 50/40 but generally they do not.

Okay, so what they don't adjust? Okay then how do you exploit weak/tight players? Aight, so you want more answers. Think of me as a whiter vanilla ice spitting hot poker knowledge.

The key is 3betting, opening a wide range preflop, and double the **** barreling. I was experimenting a bit playing hands as a 28/25/5, a 19/16/3, and a 14/11/2 and let me tell you MAYBE A TOTAL OF ONE OUT OF 400-500 PEOPLE ADJUSTED! That's right you heard me. I had like a 45% attempt to steal and no one played back.

Once you get past being an aggressive player preflop, you have to continue that post flop. Just listen to me, double barrel THEY DO NOT ADJUST! Seriously you might feel uncomfortable at first double barreling A7 on a J 8 4 3 board but don't worry they almost always fold. And if a player c/c's OOP bet that **** in position too.

Okay, but what if they adjust? They don't. You sure? yeah. Positive? Yes.

Okay, now you want some more tricks up your sleeves. 3 bet those ******. But what if they adjust? They don't. Positve? yes. Sure? Yes. 3bet and cbet.

In my awesome hypothetical thread http://forums.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=80358 speedlimits says "betting these seems pretty silly." Which I somewhat agree with. Intuitively he brings up the point people are so weak/tight you shouldn't be bet/calling overpairs. So if bet/calling strong overpairs is wrong, how does that help me?

Well for bet/calling overpairs to be wrong that means they only stack off with AA/KK/sets/2pair postflop in this situations. Okay so how does that help me? 3bet and cbet homies.

I think I covered a lot of things that many uNL players probably overlook. Just remember guys instead of thinking about railing the hot cheerleader remember the chant. B-E- AGGRESSIVE!!!!

p.s. you might not believe me, and it will take some getting used to but these tips are essentially to crushing uNL and moving up
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:17 PM   #2
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

good post. i totally agree and like ur style. made me laugh a couple times. and u r spot on with people not believing u and all that stuff
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:19 PM   #3
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good post. i totally agree and like ur style. made me laugh a couple times. and u r spot on with people not believing u and all that stuff
Thanks, I'll probably be making a video shortly over the weekend outlining some of these points.

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Old 12-13-2007, 06:20 PM   #4
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

well im gonna keep thinkin about bangin hot cheerleaders..

but i might try sometin like this out in my next session
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:21 PM   #5
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Nice. In so many posts in this forum I advise people to 3bet pre-flop. I've shown math a few times just showing the immediate profit from it based on a villian's opening range and their 3bet calling range. It can be such a profitable play...and IME even very callingish station players will fold to c-bets in 3bet pots quite often.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:23 PM   #6
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

what if most of our cheerleaders werent so attractive?

i like it, although 3betting light on 80/20 monkeys doesnt seem to go over well
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:24 PM   #7
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Nice. In so many posts in this forum I advise people to 3bet pre-flop. I've shown math a few times just showing the immediate profit from it based on a villian's opening range and their 3bet calling range. It can be such a profitable play...and IME even very callingish station players will fold to c-bets in 3bet pots quite often.
how would i go about finding setting up the math if i had say my opponents PFR and 3-Bet Calling range to find out if i can profitably 3-bet in certain situations with almost any 2.

i know the math can be figured out and i think this would be hudge for this thread if we could work it out to see what the numbers have to be to profitably 3-bet n e 2 to certain players
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:24 PM   #8
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Thanks, I'll probably be making a video shortly over the weekend outlining some of these points.
Yes please! $50NL or $100NL if possible.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:25 PM   #9
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:25 PM   #10
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

WAIT!!!!

B! In Position, B In Position!

I dont care if you have 46o when MP raises and you are in CO, have fun.

But dont get wild OOP.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:26 PM   #11
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The post was good, but your avatar is the nuts!
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:26 PM   #12
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Weak sauce Fonkey.


No talk about how to react to different board textures, just an advice of bet bet bet, your not getting much street respect for this ... tho you still have time to save it. (oh yeah, as gimmetheloot says, b in position )
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:28 PM   #13
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

I just moved down to 25NL and I'm doing what you say, running at 6ptbb/100 for pots without showdown only, over 3500 hands.

Sustainable?
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:28 PM   #14
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Good post. My winnings are pretty closely related with my aggro; if I'm tired and not especially alert, my aggro is low and I let people take a lot of pots away from me. If I'm alert and going after every pot I'm in, I win a TON more.

Double barreling is something I've hardly ever tried...I've seen how often guys like carrotsnake do it and it seems spewy/scary at first but I guess it just comes down to picking good times to do it.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:30 PM   #15
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

what stats are we looking for to use this against?
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:30 PM   #16
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Thanks, I'll probably be making a video shortly over the weekend outlining some of these points.
Please do. A vid would be much appreciated.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:31 PM   #17
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

Just to follow up...

When I was playing 25/50NL forever ago...My basic strategy was this:

Raise preflop, in position, pot flop pot turn push river at least 60% of the time. I won...quickly.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:34 PM   #18
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Just to follow up...

When I was playing 25/50NL forever ago...My basic strategy was this:

Raise preflop, in position, pot flop pot turn push river at least 60% of the time. I won...quickly.



Tho when I do this, I always get called down



What kind of stats did you run ... ?
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:35 PM   #19
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:35 PM   #20
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

I didnt use PT but I was a position nut and was a limpers worst nightmare. Wouldnt be surprised to find out I ran something like 24/23/7
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:38 PM   #21
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how would i go about finding setting up the math if i had say my opponents PFR and 3-Bet Calling range to find out if i can profitably 3-bet in certain situations with almost any 2.

i know the math can be figured out and i think this would be hudge for this thread if we could work it out to see what the numbers have to be to profitably 3-bet n e 2 to certain players
Basically, if you make a pot sized 3bet, and villain folds more than 2/3 of their opening range, you turn an immediate profit just from the preflop play. I did a wee bit of math on this a week ago, but from the opening raisors perspective. Basically I was saying the most open raisors don't defend enough hands preflop and therefore are potentially exploitable to light 3bets (until they adjust). The math can be considered from the 3 bettors perspective too:

http://forums.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=74273
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:40 PM   #22
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I didnt use PT but I was a position nut and was a limpers worst nightmare. Wouldnt be surprised to find out I ran something like 24/23/7
Ok, that aint too wild


Btw nice to see you post here again loot, long time no see, but always liked your posts, helped a lot when I switched to cash a year ago.

Tho now that I have a real job, I've been playing like ****e for the last couple of months ... (sigh)
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:42 PM   #23
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how would i go about finding setting up the math if i had say my opponents PFR and 3-Bet Calling range to find out if i can profitably 3-bet in certain situations with almost any 2.

i know the math can be figured out and i think this would be hudge for this thread if we could work it out to see what the numbers have to be to profitably 3-bet n e 2 to certain players

Example that I did today.

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Villian was 18/13 with an attempt to steal of 34%. Villian was the CO and hero the button...it folded to the villian who raised to $1.75 (plus the .75 in blinds is how I get the pot size) and hero 3bet to $6.




$2.50 in the pot. Hero raises to $6. So if villian folds pre-flop to the 3bet somewhere in the area of 70% this is immediately profitable for our hero. (.7 times 2.5 is about equal to .3 times 6

Villian is raising ~34% of hands so as long as he calls or 4bets the 3bet with less than 10.2% of hands this is immediately profitable. (10.2 is 30% of 34. The breakeven point was if he called with 30% of his range.) 10.2% is from pokerstove: 77+,A9s+,AJo+,KTs+,KQo,QTs. Now I believe that an 18/13 has a much tighter 3bet calling range than this from OOP.
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:45 PM   #24
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I didnt use PT but I was a position nut and was a limpers worst nightmare. Wouldnt be surprised to find out I ran something like 24/23/7
where tha piss did u go?? i thought u died or something
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:10 PM   #25
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Re: Pooh-Bah B! E! Aggressive! How to Beat Weak/Tights

nice post...unless i overlooked it you didnt mention c/raising. I think most ppl dont untilize this correctly or enough. Lately it seems to me like c/ring a weak/tight villian (or callin in pos and raising a lot of flops) is > 3bettin them pf...but obv this varies.
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