[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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CO: $8.23 (82.3 bb)
BTN: $12.29 (122.9 bb)
SB: $16.37 (163.7 bb)
BB: $13.94 (139.4 bb)
UTG+1: $6.32 (63.2 bb)
UTG+2: $10.30 (103 bb)
MP1: $10 (100 bb) 21/15 3.1AF 550 Hands
Hero (MP2): $10.50 (105 bb)
MP3: $17.27 (172.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q Q
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.35, MP1 calls $0.35, Hero raises to $1.05, 6 folds, MP1 calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.60) J 4 4 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.73, MP1 calls $1.73

Turn: ($6.06) 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.06) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $4.14, Hero calls $4.14

Previous hand villain bet 3 streets w/busted OESD.

Fold to 3bet tats on the villain?

I actually think the flop sizing is too big. Half pot on this flop is totally fine, i want him to continue with hands like TT/99 etc on this really dry flop.

Turn check is gross. You have to bet here, the villain has not shown much strength and if the turn was total blank eg. non diamond then i would check behind here as i dont expect him to call a turn bet with much worse and really we probably only worried about him having 2 outs but with it been a diamond theres now some hands that he may have called the flop with that we get value with because he convinces himself that any diamond draw may be good and we dont want to give the villain a free card to hit any sort of draw.

EDIT - deleted earlier comment as it was poor

EURGH DISREGARD ALL MY COMMENTS ON THIS HAND. im stupid tired and giving **** advice lol martl take the lead

basically what martl said.

b/f or b/c? Vs a tilted villain this is a b/c imo.

Fv3bet was 100(3/3).

I checked the turn as I felt his range was weighted a bit more towards value end of the spectrum. He called a 3 bet OPP then called the cbet, I felt my equity was a little thin vs the range of hands he calls a turn bet with(AJ,AdKd,AdQd,QQ,JJ,44). I'm not so sure villain wouldn't decide to slowplay AA,KK, here either desperate to get action given he lost about 80bbs the last hand.

Preflop I raise to $1.35. I hate the turn check. I am bet folding turn $4.00 and I think it's close between a check and a shove for value on the river. As played, I like the call.

Half pot it on flop. Paired boards are hard to hit so theres not much need for large bet sizes. b/f half pot on the turn. call river

Need to bet Turn about $3.50, aiming for stacks on river, given "villain bet 3 streets w/busted OESD" and it isnt completely gross. Even if his continuance range is like all suited cards he only has a flush about 17% of the time.

He called a 3 bet, so his range isnt going to be remotely FDish. There are a lot of pocket pairs and Jx hands that you can get value from, and unlikely he has a 4.

The range you though he was on, (AJ,AdKd,AdQd,QQ,JJ,44) is 41% against QQ on flop, and 43% on turn.

"here either desperate to get action given he lost about 80bbs the last hand. " sounds to me like he would also be desperate to win with TT etc, don't think this would make his range tighter or that he would slowplay AA/KK...

TRM.

bet sizing post too big. I would just b/c 3 streets tho. Can go like 1.05 on flop, 2.10 on turn and then jam 5.80 into 8.90 on river. I would probably do something like that. For ppl saying to bet 3-3.50 on turn, you only leave like 3.5-4 back into a pot thats gonna be like 13ish, just not leaving enough behind for a shove on the river, and also not allowing villain to bluff/semibluff jam on you on the turn bc it looks like they have zero fold equity.

Also, the ranging in this thread is way too nitty and filled with some hands he likely has ~never.

Another point I want to make, that you might be able to figure out based on my suggested bet sizing, is that I know a lot of you are focused on betting half pot always in 3b pots bc that's what you read on 2p2 once, but I don't think it should be as static as that always, and in squeezed pots as well as 4b pots you often should be betting quite a bit smaller than half pot (with your whole range)

Obviously thats a big generalization and we can only really comment on the hand in question.

One thing i would note is that the higher up in stakes you go the more people understand bet sizing where as at the lower stakes a lot of people take a half pot or less bet in a 3bet pot as weakness and you can induce a lot of spazzing this way.

This is probably going to get slightly different replies than on a board like this.http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...river-1212697/

Whats your sizing going to be like here?

I don't think the turn check was that bad. If OP instead bets $4 into $6 on the turn (roughly the same amt that villain bet on the river) and gets raised, he probably has to dump it. Now he gets to showdown for that same amount. Also the turn check could have induced a bluff by villain with a missed draw, which is a decent tradeoff for giving a free card.

We are missing tons of value from Jx, Adx, and sometimes 22-1010. If we bet 4$ and get raised, we are beat. That same hand that beats us bet 4$ on river and we lose anyways. There are no whiffed draws, the diamond draw got there.