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03-19-2018 , 11:04 AM
Hey

I am not sure on how to play my sets on boards with flush-draws. On one hand I want to protect my hand, and ideally I want to get villain all in on flop (obviously...). On the other hand I feel like I might be missing some value by shoving like I did in the hand below.

What do you guys find to be most EV in long term?

Of course, it is extremely dependent on Villains range, so I guess this is a silly question.

Aaanyway, my thoughts on the hand below:
Villain is 17/14/0/infinite (anyone know why i get infinite? )

Im putting Villain on 10x, any set or FD here. Dont find any overpairs likely.

When I shove I want to represent a possible FD myself, making him inclined to call.

I just dont know what to think of this hand.

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932477

    BTN: $23.37 (93.5 bb)
    SB: $47.98 (191.9 bb)
    BB: $24.23 (96.9 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $47.46 (189.8 bb)
    MP: $52.15 (208.6 bb)
    CO: $28 (112 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
    Hero raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($2.60) T 6 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $1.25, BTN folds, Hero raises to $4, MP raises to $8.75, Hero raises to $46.71 and is all-in, MP folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.10 pot ($0.90 rake)
    Final Board: T 6 2
    BTN mucked and lost (-$0.75 net)
    Hero mucked 6 6 and won $19.20 ($9.70 net)
    MP mucked and lost (-$9.50 net)



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    03-19-2018 , 11:13 AM
    I wouldn't be putting villain on to many draws with that line . I think you can call the flop 3bet and stack off any turn and if your somehow beat on the turn you still have really good redraw equity. It keeps villains range as wide as possible and all the over pairs in and villain likely stacks of on a club turn with Tx and over pairs with a club. And finds it hard to fold vs your line on non club turns as your line now looks drawy. It's hard to say whats best tbh i don't mind the line you take and i don't mind just calling the flop either all are legitimate lines to take.
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    03-19-2018 , 11:38 AM
    As a general rule, if you can uncap against a reg you should do so. They’ll make too many betting errors betting too thin for value against your super strong range.

    Against fish though, I just like to fastplay as they’ll overplay marginal hands.
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    03-19-2018 , 11:53 AM
    ^^^^ That's a far more succinct way of putting it.
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    03-19-2018 , 12:02 PM
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    Originally Posted by CrazyAndy27s
    As a general rule, if you can uncap against a reg you should do so. They’ll make too many betting errors betting too thin for value against your super strong range.

    Against fish though, I just like to fastplay as they’ll overplay marginal hands.
    Sorry but what do you mean by uncap?
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    03-19-2018 , 12:47 PM
    Ok, so you know those spots where you’re sure your overpair is good against a fish so you triple barrel for value?

    Usually it means that your opponent is capped. Now, with that same example if you call with a set to make yourself look capped, you basically make your opponent make the error of value betting too thin and/ or bluffing too much.

    I feel like it’s a harder concept to explain than to see.

    A good example of it is me 3betting 99 from SB against CO. They call and the flop comes 957r. I elect to xc all the way down as it allows them to bluff things like JTs or just pure air like KQs as well as making errors such as value betting 3 streets against my range with hands like JJ or TT as I look ‘capped’.
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    03-19-2018 , 12:54 PM
    He means you can still have a'lot of weaker hands as'well as strong nutted value hands. When you take the line you take your range no longer contains the weaker hands and only contains hands like sets and possibly a few flush combos like 9c8c , and so becomes capped to the top of your value range. Or something like that.


    https://www.splitsuit.com/capped-ranges-in-poker

    Last edited by Feng Shui; 03-19-2018 at 01:17 PM.
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    03-19-2018 , 02:12 PM
    Thanks!!!
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    03-19-2018 , 02:23 PM
    What if we raise the flop 3 bet to 25 instead just for psychological reasons, that fish would be more willing to call that as opposed to an all in. Clearly then shove to a re-raise or shove turn after. Call 3-bet and shove turn also works.
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    03-19-2018 , 02:49 PM
    Capped basically means "can't have the nuts". So say you call a raise pre and the flop comes A72 then you're capped because because you would never have AA. Depending on the situation you might also 3-bet 77 too, so you could be "capped" at 22. If you fold 22 pre then you're capped at say A2s.

    As for the hand in the OP, it's an awkward stack depth when he makes it 8.75. I think we should check/raise bigger being this deep.

    And as a general rule, be more inclined to raise when you're out of position. What you don't want is villain to know you have a very strong flatting range and be able to check back all his draws on the turn. In position, you can always raise or bet a safe card.
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    03-19-2018 , 03:11 PM
    flop check is good @ OP

    you can call the 3b otf or raise again

    don't think i like a 4b jam tho
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    03-19-2018 , 03:49 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pokrr
    What if we raise the flop 3 bet to 25 instead just for psychological reasons, that fish would be more willing to call that as opposed to an all in. Clearly then shove to a re-raise or shove turn after. Call 3-bet and shove turn also works.
    I like!
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    03-19-2018 , 03:51 PM
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    Originally Posted by Bladesman87
    Capped basically means "can't have the nuts". So say you call a raise pre and the flop comes A72 then you're capped because because you would never have AA. Depending on the situation you might also 3-bet 77 too, so you could be "capped" at 22. If you fold 22 pre then you're capped at say A2s.

    As for the hand in the OP, it's an awkward stack depth when he makes it 8.75. I think we should check/raise bigger being this deep.

    And as a general rule, be more inclined to raise when you're out of position. What you don't want is villain to know you have a very strong flatting range and be able to check back all his draws on the turn. In position, you can always raise or bet a safe card.
    Good stuff!
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