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06-14-2021 , 05:20 AM
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V is 30/27 with 45% 3bet from SB

with this turn, i have to shove, what do u think?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 134 BB
SB: 159.76 BB
BB: 101.4 BB
UTG: 119.56 BB
MP: 61.12 BB
CO: 252.64 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 26 BB, SB calls 16 BB

Flop: (53 BB, 2 players) 8 2 K
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, SB calls 17 BB

Turn: (87 BB, 2 players) T
SB checks, [color=red]Hero
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06-14-2021 , 05:30 AM
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I’d pure call this pre flop especially vs his small size, would 4bet Q8s at a low frequency tho. AP slam dunk jam.
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06-14-2021 , 01:24 PM
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Except the Q8s 4bet. I haven't lived obv.
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06-14-2021 , 05:32 PM
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vs that 3b sizing Q9s is a pure call, facing a larger sizing it would be 4b

I'd also go smaller otf as well as smaller pre, you basically always want to play 3 streets in this kind of spot, and as played the spr ott is kind of awkward for that
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06-14-2021 , 06:20 PM
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That Ten is one of the worst cards in the deck for your actual range.

I'd X back and then bluff OTR.

I have Q9s as a high frequency 4bet in my 50nl ranges and GTO Wiz has it mixed but mostly calling.

Also wrt to sizing you don't jam OTT - you play 3 streets so if you did bet you would go small again to put his non Kx in tough spots (we should check i think though)
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06-14-2021 , 06:27 PM
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vs that 3b sizing Q9s is a pure call, facing a larger sizing it would be 4b

I'd also go smaller otf as well as smaller pre, you basically always want to play 3 streets in this kind of spot, and as played the spr ott is kind of awkward for that
You want to 4bet bigger at bigger stack depths + linear ranges.

You can go smaller vs the BB in theory.
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06-14-2021 , 06:36 PM
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You want to 4bet bigger at bigger stack depths + linear ranges.

You can go smaller vs the BB in theory.
We're not that deep
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06-14-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Solver checks turn 100% in my sim.

woop woop
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06-14-2021 , 06:50 PM
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We're not that deep
okay but you still go bigger vs linear ranges. We don't go like 22BB here
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06-14-2021 , 07:08 PM
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okay but you still go bigger vs linear ranges. We don't go like 22BB here
But what about 23?
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06-14-2021 , 07:40 PM
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But what about 23?
yeah much better
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06-14-2021 , 09:08 PM
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yeah much better
That's what zenith told me
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06-15-2021 , 09:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
That Ten is one of the worst cards in the deck for your actual range.

I'd X back and then bluff OTR.

I have Q9s as a high frequency 4bet in my 50nl ranges and GTO Wiz has it mixed but mostly calling.

Also wrt to sizing you don't jam OTT - you play 3 streets so if you did bet you would go small again to put his non Kx in tough spots (we should check i think though)
Why is the T so bad? We probably range bet this flop so we still have TT, KTs.
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06-16-2021 , 12:35 PM
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Why is the T so bad? We probably range bet this flop so we still have TT, KTs.
KTs/TT are calls pf
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06-16-2021 , 02:11 PM
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Quote:
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KTs/TT are calls pf
TT could be a 4!
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06-18-2021 , 10:37 AM
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I'm not 4! this hand pre with no blockers
Calling 3! based on smaller size
I like the flop sizing
I'm X turn and hoping to realize given V's strength I'm not convinced he folds to a jam on such a draw heavy board. V calls a 4! and calls flop so I think we are behind here.
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