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Is it overfolding? Is it overfolding?

09-18-2018 , 12:28 AM
This is the best non-flush hand that I have plus, I have a flush blocker. Villain flush should, mainly, be pair+BDFD on the flop. I know he's never bluffing but folding in spots like this always tastes like overfolding.

PS.: I know people keep telling me to hide results but the text above has enough spoilers to make it a little useless.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 16.83, PFR: 3.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
Hero (SB): 103.5 BB
BB: 143 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 45 BB
MP: 74 BB
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 48)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K 5 4
Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (10 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (26 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 21 BB, BB raises to 130 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.5 BB and is all-in

BB shows 8 9 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 24%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows Q J (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 62%, Flop 76%, Turn 68%)
BB wins 200 BB
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09-18-2018 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillMurderface
This is the best non-flush hand that I have plus, I have a flush blocker. Villain flush should, mainly, be pair+BDFD on the flop. I know he's never bluffing but folding in spots like this always tastes like overfolding.

PS.: I know people keep telling me to hide results but the text above has enough spoilers to make it a little useless.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 16.83, PFR: 3.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 102)
Hero (SB): 103.5 BB
BB: 143 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 45 BB
MP: 74 BB
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 48)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K 5 4
Hero bets 2 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Turn: (10 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (26 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 21 BB, BB raises to 130 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.5 BB and is all-in

BB shows 8 9 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 24%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows Q J (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 62%, Flop 76%, Turn 68%)
BB wins 200 BB
over bet turn because have range adv + we charge floats. Rest is fine
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09-18-2018 , 03:17 AM
Overbeting turn ins't good as it looks..
Without the flush draw and just going by range advantage you will not find as many folds of the villains range when he pays the flop.. because your standard RFI at the SB should be something around 50%+..

Just because he didn't 3betted PF.. doens't mean he doesn't have Aces suiteds.. or blocking the flush nuts.. that gives him a pair of aces at the turn..

Meanwhile.. if you were at the CO or MP.. you could do an overbet..

You need to understand how the range interact before making fancy moves at the micros..

About the hand.. fold river is too nit.. but you don't have a value bet of 2/3 of the pot.. no one will be paying tha with less than two pairs.. and those hands would have raised you untill the turn at tops..

So.. when you bets 2/3 of the pot.. you will be finding more folds than expected and will get called or stacked by flush.. runner runners will raise a lot..

And he will fold all the hands that you want to him to pay
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09-18-2018 , 03:42 AM
We can fold this river. I know it seems mad, but folding just has to be better than losing 30bb from this point to be correct.

There’s an obvious flush, straight and two pair in AK on board. Villain isn’t shoving 2 pair or a set on a straight/flushing board. Plus sets unless rivered probably raise by the turn. It’s probable that straights just call at some frequency.

We block the straight which isn’t good for us since it’s the one none flush hand that doesn’t beat us. And I think something that isn’t realised is that because we’re aiming for a chop we have to be right about it much more often. Our risk reward is skewed because what we risk is for only half the amount.

Villain has all the combo’s of Axcc, suited broadways and club connectors left that we don’t block.

Its worth a note that villain correctly called your small flop cb with a bdfd. Worth having I think.

At a very exploitative level folding here is optimal I think. Hard during table time.




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09-18-2018 , 09:03 AM
I probably go smaller on the river with this combo (to get called by 2prs and some Ax) and bet-fold it. Go huge with your actual flushes and random air with a club. Or you can try for a check-raise with the nuts and something like QcTx. When you bomb it and get jammed on, I think you can only call with flushes (not straights), as villains at this level aren't going to make this play with every combo of 76 or 2 hearts. In fact, I'm pretty surprised he doesn't have exactly 76cc or 87cc, as there aren't many other combos that would naturally take this call-call-raise line.
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09-18-2018 , 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabe16
We can fold this river. I know it seems mad, but folding just has to be better than losing 30bb from this point to be correct.

There’s an obvious flush, straight and two pair in AK on board. Villain isn’t shoving 2 pair or a set on a straight/flushing board. Plus sets unless rivered probably raise by the turn. It’s probable that straights just call at some frequency.

We block the straight which isn’t good for us since it’s the one none flush hand that doesn’t beat us. And I think something that isn’t realised is that because we’re aiming for a chop we have to be right about it much more often. Our risk reward is skewed because what we risk is for only half the amount.

Villain has all the combo’s of Axcc, suited broadways and club connectors left that we don’t block.

Its worth a note that villain correctly called your small flop cb with a bdfd. Worth having I think.

At a very exploitative level folding here is optimal I think. Hard during table time.




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I think you might have misread the board. Villain cannot have any Axcc cause the Ac is on the board.
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