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12-30-2008 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Eventus
Hello.
My stats. Ipoker.

Help, pls. Where problem.
There's no problem at all except you are in a 10BI downswing in your last 7,000 hands. You probably just want to post the stats for those.

One thing I'm learning is that 16/14 barely beats the rake. You should expect about 2 BB/100. You are pretty nitty in CO and BTN. You need to steal more. 3 bet and aggression looks ok, except river - you should probably make more value bets.
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12-30-2008 , 02:23 AM



am i doing something terribly wrong?




thought this one might help too
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12-31-2008 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SbteH



am i doing something terribly wrong?




thought this one might help too
Double your cbet% in MP to also make it a nice green number?
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12-31-2008 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by thepokerhawk_1966
hey, wonder what you guys think:





Isn't your SB VPIP a bit high? YOu might be able to break even from that position by selecting your hands better.

Also, your aggression from the BTN could be higher.

Nice stats
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12-31-2008 , 07:30 AM
I play on NL10 FR 24tables and want to analyze my stats.


VP$IP: 15,06
PFR: 12,03
AF: 2,96
AFq: 37,29 (Is this stat important?)
W$WSF: 33,71 (hig enough?)
WTSD: 24,19 (high enough?)
W$SD: 58,12
3Bet Total: 4,72
4Bet Total: 4,43
ATS: 48,02 (too high?)
CBet F: 55,05
CBet T: 35,17
CCPF: 3,73


What can I do better on this stats?


Here my winrate if someone use that to analyze too.


PTBB/100: 4,37
PTBB/Hour: 48,50


Samplesize is about 60k Hands. Could I Beat NL25 with those stats too?



Thx
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12-31-2008 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by thanh
I play on NL10 FR 24tables and want to analyze my stats.



Thx

This forum is for 6-max
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12-31-2008 , 09:11 PM
Reality Check / My Stats Review (long)

I apologize in advance for how long this is. It's a very thorough review of my stats. This is a review of my own game, however any reviews, input, critiques, advice, etc will be greatly appreciated.

It's the end of the year and I've been on a break even streak so it's a good time to take a long hard honest look at my game (stats). Plus I've finally been running PT3 long enough to have just over 10k hands.

Quick short back story. I started playing poker about 5 years ago. I mostly played limit hold'em cash games for the first year. I worked my way up to small stakes ($1/$2) and then took a long break (played here and there but not much).

I picked poker up pretty heavy again about 3 or 4 months ago. I've since been playing NL hold'em cash games. Between family and work I only get about 5k hands in a month.

I play $0.05/$0.10 6 MAX NL and was attempting to play TAG although I'm clearly not there yet.

Overall Stats



VP$IP: 18%
I feel like my VPIP is pretty standard and okay. I don't see a leak or an issue here.

PFR%: 6.4%
I'm too passive PF. I've got to stop limping and, as they say around here, "start raising that **** up!!". I'd like to get this up to 15%. I didn't realize the snowball effect having a low PFR% had on the rest of my game until I reviewed all my stats. (Especially my CBet% noted below).

AF: 1.98
I don't feel like my AF is too bad. I could probably stand to get it up to 2.5 or 3. Trying to raise or fold more rather then calling will certainly help. Which will be good for me seeing as I've been playing so passive.

CCPF: 16.5% (WTF!!!!!)
I was completely shocked to see this. I had no idea I cold called so much PF. 16% is absolutely ridicules. From everything I've read it should be <2%. I HAVE to start either 3betting or folding PF raises. No more calling PF for me. I've got to dump it or "raise that **** up!!"

W$WSF: 40.9%
From what I've seen my W$WSF is on the bottom end of being solid. I could probably stand to bump it up 5% or so. Hopefully going into flops as the PF aggressor more oftem will help me take down more pots rather then me being pushed out of them.

WTSD: 26.9%
I feel like this is on the low end. After doing a little research it seems like it should be more in the 35% to 45% range. My guess is it shows I'm letting people push me off hands I should probably be pushing back with. It's certainly not that I'm pushing everyone else off of hands.

W$SD: 55.6%
I'd say this is solid. Higher would obviously be better but I feel like above 50% is acceptable.

Att To Steal: 9.3%
Plain and simple, I'm not stealing enough. I feel like I need to get this closer to 30%. This will also help raise my PFR%.

Fold to BB Steal: 82%
Fold to SB Steal: 85.6%

I don't have a comfortable feel for what these numbers should be. If someone is stealing my blinds a lot I usually reraise them once and that slows them down for the session. I obviously don't want to be pushed around but I don't want to defend them too often and get stuck playing junk in a bad position frequently.

Bet Flop: 33%
I feel like this number is way too low and should be much closer to my CBet Flop%. Cold calling PF a lot less (NEVER!) and being the PF aggressor more often should allow me to get this closer to my CBet% of around 70%.

CBet Flop: 73.6%
It's right between 70% and 80% which is where I feel it needs to be. Which looks great until you relate it to my low PFR%. With a PFR% of only 6% that means I'm only CBetting 4.5% of all the hands I'm involved in. If I can up my PFR% to at least 15% and maintain my CBet% I'll be Cbetting 11.25% of the hands I'm involved in rather then 4.5% and probably be taking down a decent number of those pots.

Fold to Flop Bet: 65%
Fold to Flop CBet: 63%

I've done some research but never really found a good gauge for what these numbers should be. Any advice is appreciated. My gut reaction is I'm folding too many hands on the flop. With my low PFR% I'm rarely the aggressor coming into the flop so rather then me CBetting people and taking down pots they're CBetting me and taking them down.

Position Stats



From these stats not only am I too passive in every position it appears that I have no concept of position. Which is odd because I've always thought I was aware of position. I clearly need to do more then just be aware of what position I'm in and actually ACT on it accordingly though.

SB VP$IP/PFR%: 22.5%/4.9%
I'm playing WAY too many hands from the SB and on top of that I'm limping in most of the time with them. I play more hands from the SB then from the button which is horrible. I need to play fewer hands and raise more when I do. Especially when it's folded to me.

Overall Assessment

I'm playing too weak/passive. I let players push me off of hands when I probably have the best hand. I give other players' hands too much credit. If it's a 10/8 nit that's okay but I let 28/20 players push me off of hands too frequently. I need to start pushing first and/or pushing back more.

I think my general (flawed) thought process at the table TURNS into "why waste a bet when I can fold and wait for a monster to double up" and has lead me to play passively. Which is a losing tactic. I loose 2 buyins worth of small pots so when/if I do eventually hit a monster and double up I'm, at best even again. After reviewing my stats I'm amazed I'm still breaking even.

I didn't realize I'd been playing such so passively. This was a real wake up call. I'm glad I didn't wait any longer to do a review. After my review It's obvious to me I need to become more aggressive.

I'm completely hemorrhaging money on the "Money Won Without Showdown" line. Which I'm sure is a direct result of my passive play. My showdown wins are being nullified by my "Money Won Without Showdown" losses.



2009 Goals
  • NO more cold calling PF. I'll either reraise or fold.
  • Raise more PF
  • Less auto pilot and more thinking. It doesn't matter how much I've read or studied if I just glaze over and blindly click in front of the screen.
  • Paying more attention to position and taking advantage of it. I thought I'd been playing positionally aware but I clearly haven't been.
  • Being more aggressive on all streets. Betting a lot more and calling a lot less.
  • Stop bleeding so much money on the "Money won without a showdown" line.
  • Stop losing 1 buyin a session calling an all in with TPTK!!! It should be so much simpler to lay that down!!

If anyone made it this far thanks for taking the time to read this. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Now I'm off to the bar! Happy new years everyone!
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01-01-2009 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jjmcclain
This forum is for 6-max
I think changing the forum title would help because honestly, you wouldn't know if you hadn't been reading these since the beginning of time:

"Micro Stakes PL/NL Discussions about micro stakes pot and no-limit hold'em (25c-50c and under)"
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01-01-2009 , 03:12 PM
Hey, looking for a few pointers as I move up to NL25 after 20k hands on nl10.
As shown by the stats I do okay, but i am of course looking to improve.
I feel that I sometimes give hands up to soon after meeting agression, despite agression at these levels and against mostly passive opponents usually is strong hands. I take the rather safe then sorry route and exit hands before I get in sticky situations sometimes, in stead of gambling on small edges.
I also have a feeling that I should reraise more often both preflop and on the flop when I have certain hands that need the protection, but it is not always easy to be sure what the right choice is.
Possibly should I steal more blinds aswell.
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01-03-2009 , 06:52 PM
I was planning on moving up to 25 nl around the 20k mark, but so far things don;t seem like they are going to be going well enough to do that.

Bankroll-wise, at this bb/100 rate I should be ok, but looking at my graph it does not seem stable enough. This is causing me think my current bb/100 is due to some cariance in my favor.

Just looking to see if there is any major flaws in my stats that may be causing this sine-esque curve to my graph.




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01-05-2009 , 06:47 AM
good thread...ill have to get mine on here (at work right now)
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01-05-2009 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jjmcclain
I was planning on moving up to 25 nl around the 20k mark, but so far things don;t seem like they are going to be going well enough to do that.

Bankroll-wise, at this bb/100 rate I should be ok, but looking at my graph it does not seem stable enough. This is causing me think my current bb/100 is due to some cariance in my favor.

Just looking to see if there is any major flaws in my stats that may be causing this sine-esque curve to my graph.




You are opening way to many hand UTG and MP, 19% and 22% just isn't profitable in these positions. Also, your button range should widen a lot, it should be something like 30%+. So you just need to become more positionally aware. Tighten up in early position, losen up in late position. You're also going to to showdown a bit to much which probably means you play either to passivly or you call dowm to much with marginal hands. So the solution to this is betting on more streets and stop calling down, it's OK to fold a pair against aggression.
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01-05-2009 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HeutIstMein,Tag!
Hey, looking for a few pointers as I move up to NL25 after 20k hands on nl10.
As shown by the stats I do okay, but i am of course looking to improve.
I feel that I sometimes give hands up to soon after meeting agression, despite agression at these levels and against mostly passive opponents usually is strong hands. I take the rather safe then sorry route and exit hands before I get in sticky situations sometimes, in stead of gambling on small edges.
I also have a feeling that I should reraise more often both preflop and on the flop when I have certain hands that need the protection, but it is not always easy to be sure what the right choice is.
Possibly should I steal more blinds aswell.
1. become more possitionally aware : you're opening to much hand UTG and MP and far to less in CO and BTN. These numbers should go up and instead you open the same hand UTG as in MP.

16% = 22+,A7s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo

a lot of hands that are listed here just aren't prfitable enough to be opened from UTG or MP. You're range should be more like

UTG: 11% = 22+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo
MP: 13% = 22+,A9s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo
CO : 21% = 22+,A6s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,87s+,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
BTN : 30% = 22+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,76s,65s,A5o+,K9o+, Q9o+,J9o+,T9o + some other hands like suited 2 gappers thrown in as well.

2. You need to be more aggressive on turn and river. You are not betting enough, c/c too much or giving up you're hand too easily. You can valuetown fish with 1 pair easily.

3. Steal attempt definitly needs to be higher, but this will come as you work on you preflop positional awareness. So open more hands from CO and BTN, and raise more in SB when it's bvb. You'll pick up a lot more pots this way.

4. You can definitly 3bet more, especially in position. You're range now is like JJ+, AKo, AKs. You can and in more hands IP like AQs, AQo, suited connectors and some random crap as a bluff. Also, 3bet more from the blinds when BTN or CO raises with hands like AJo, 99, KQ for value as their range is superwide and they will fold a lot as long as you don't get out of line and do it to often.
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01-05-2009 , 11:21 PM
Just started playing with PokerTracke.

Anything obvious from the stats?

Thanks


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01-05-2009 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by speedingstarz
Just started playing with PokerTracke.

Anything obvious from the stats?

Thanks


Sample is much too small, but it seems pretty solid.
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01-10-2009 , 12:51 PM
Hello everyone I'm a 6 max NOOB please tell me so I can djust faster from full ring what your standard ranges are for opening from the positions and your 3 betting ranges. Also your ranges for calling a 3 bet oop. I am very curious to see how they differ from my initial impressions

I know it can take a few seconds to type this out so thank you very much in advance
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01-10-2009 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakejackjake
Hello everyone I'm a 6 max NOOB please tell me so I can djust faster from full ring what your standard ranges are for opening from the positions and your 3 betting ranges. Also your ranges for calling a 3 bet oop. I am very curious to see how they differ from my initial impressions

I know it can take a few seconds to type this out so thank you very much in advance
Imagine full ring and the 1st 3 players folded. Voila, 6max. That's the fastest way to adjust.

Like, if you were a winning full ring player, look at your positional stats, especially raise 1st in. Those are probably the ranges you're gonna profitable open in 6 max from the same seats (as in # of players from the button, not UTG = UTG ldo).
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01-12-2009 , 03:28 PM
I have never had my stats reviewed, so it's definitely time for me. I have been looking for a way to really break out of this NL50 funk that I am in and move up once and for all, and this definitely couldn't hurt. I'd really appreciate it if any stat genius could help me here.

Here I have ten different stats:
VPIP
21%
TAGish.

PFR:
17.8%
Around 3% gap between VPIP and PFR, maybe it should be smaller?

3bet:
4.8%
This varies so much and really doesn't tell a whole lot. I think more important is what I am raising and against whom.

Sqz%:
5.6%
A little higher squeeze % than 3bet%, which I think is standard. Maybe it should be a bit higher.

AF:
Total 3.45, Flop 5, Turn 2.5, River 1.37
I think this may be an indicator of my passiveness. On later streets I become more passive to due bigger pot size where I am scared to committ or bluff. Could this make sense?

AQ:
Total 35.5%, flop 46.5%, turn 27.7%, river 16.1%.
Same here as with Aggression Factor.

Flop cbet:
75.5%
This is I think is a bit high, it's ľ of the time and I think I should lower it down to 70%.

WTSD:
25.3%
Here is a stat that I don't know anything about. Is this okay?

W$SD:
50.2%
I guess this could be higher, not sure since I really don't know much about this stat either.

W$WSF:
43.8%
Guess this is okay.
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01-12-2009 , 05:32 PM
Hate to do this, but bump...
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01-12-2009 , 05:46 PM
The cbet, vpip/pfr gap and what not are all fine. One thing jumps out though.

Based on the stats, you look like a cbet-and-give-up type of player. There's a big gap between your flop and turn aggression. People have a very profitable flop float against you since you're so honest on the turn. Your river aggression is really low aswell. Do you even bluff rivers at all? 16%, and such a low factor... This means you're folding a ton and betting very little. I'm guessing your red line is a massive downswing and your blue line a massive upswing? I'm folding unimproved aces if you bet the river into me.

I'd say double barrel a bit more and valuebet thinner on the river. If your valuebetting range widens, you can also have more bluffs in your range. It's really scary when a TAG bets all 3 streets into you. It's higher variance but I think that anyone who picks up on your current tendencies will have a really easy time exploiting you, and at NL100 (atleast on iPoker) there are many more people capable of doing this than NL50.
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01-12-2009 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Grindcore
The cbet, vpip/pfr gap and what not are all fine. One thing jumps out though.

Based on the stats, you look like a cbet-and-give-up type of player. There's a big gap between your flop and turn aggression. People have a very profitable flop float against you since you're so honest on the turn. Your river aggression is really low aswell. Do you even bluff rivers at all? 16%, and such a low factor... This means you're folding a ton and betting very little. I'm guessing your red line is a massive downswing and your blue line a massive upswing? I'm folding unimproved aces if you bet the river into me.

I'd say double barrel a bit more and valuebet thinner on the river. If your valuebetting range widens, you can also have more bluffs in your range. It's really scary when a TAG bets all 3 streets into you. It's higher variance but I think that anyone who picks up on your current tendencies will have a really easy time exploiting you, and at NL100 (atleast on iPoker) there are many more people capable of doing this than NL50.
Thank you, this is what I was afraid of. I will try to work on these things.
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01-12-2009 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Grindcore
The cbet, vpip/pfr gap and what not are all fine. One thing jumps out though.

Based on the stats, you look like a cbet-and-give-up type of player. There's a big gap between your flop and turn aggression. People have a very profitable flop float against you since you're so honest on the turn. Your river aggression is really low aswell. Do you even bluff rivers at all? 16%, and such a low factor... This means you're folding a ton and betting very little. I'm guessing your red line is a massive downswing and your blue line a massive upswing? I'm folding unimproved aces if you bet the river into me.

I'd say double barrel a bit more and valuebet thinner on the river. If your valuebetting range widens, you can also have more bluffs in your range. It's really scary when a TAG bets all 3 streets into you. It's higher variance but I think that anyone who picks up on your current tendencies will have a really easy time exploiting you, and at NL100 (atleast on iPoker) there are many more people capable of doing this than NL50.
Looking through my stats, my turn barrel is 52%, which I don't think is that low.
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01-12-2009 , 09:21 PM
No that's quite high in fact. So do you double barrel alot and then give up on the river? Quite often a 2nd barrel is ~neutral but it sets up a profitable river barrel.

One thing I see alot of TAGs do at NL50 is being afraid to go for 3 streets of value. Like, they raise AK UTG and the flop comes Axx. They cbet, barrel the turn, and then check the river. It's not like they're gonna get bluffed so why bluffcatch, unless you're planning to c/f? I think bet > check-fold > check-call. If you go for 3 streets with AK, it also allows you to bet 3 streets with air since your range ain't so polarized anymore.

Another thing to "fix" the gap between your turn and river aggresion is if you can only get 2 streets of value out of your hand vs the majority of your opponents range, sometimes the best place to go for the 2nd street is the river and not the turn. Ie, raise AQ UTG and a TAG calls in position, Q55 board, cbet, and you get called. Now you can check the turn, since you probably fold out medium pairs and perhaps even weaker queens if you bet again, but if you check the turn and then bet the river, 77 might decide to look you up. This also allows your opponent to bluff in case he floated you, hoping you'd c/f turn with AK or a medium pair.
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01-12-2009 , 09:51 PM
Yeah I like the thinking with the AQ on Q55 sample.

My flop cbet % is 76%, my turn cbet % is 51.5% and my river cbet is 58%. So out of 100 times I see a flop, I cbet 76 times. Of those 76 times, I cbet turn 39 times, and on the river I cbet 23 times. So once I fire the flop, if I only get called on the flop and turn, I end up firing three barrels less than 1/4 of the time. Really don't know what to make of that, but I definitely think I can have a higher 3 barrel rate than 23% since most people really can't call 3barrels very often, even bad fishes or calling stations.
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01-12-2009 , 11:13 PM
Hmm those are actually all quite high. I don't think the problem is in those spots. Your low river aggression must come from cbetting then checking turn and check-folding or check-calling river, or when you're not the PFR.

I'm a riverstation (I go to showdown like 30%) and my river aggression stats are 22% and 1.8 as opposed to your 16% and 1.3.

I'd open your tracker and filter on pots where you saw a river (and perhaps add another filter for a passive or aggressive river actions) and go trough the hands. Take the time to do this, like as if you're grinding. Really analyze spots where you might have been too passive. Post some hands on the forums or discuss them with friends.
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