I used to play a lot and worked my way up to beating micro 25NL for about 6/7 BB/100 up until a brutal shot at 50NL resulted in me moving back down and pathetically failing to beat even 2NL. In hindsight this probably had a lot to do with too much drinking and not enough studying but that's by the by.

Anyway, relatively sober me has decided to give it another go playing 6 max zoom starting from the bottom, this time with less drinking and more studying.

Here's my stats over my first ~18K hands which I was hoping for some feedback from:

https://imgur.com/a/I5V3yzr

At the moment I'm breaking about even and hoping that my recent upswing isn't purely down to positive variance.

I feel that my main leak is flop FT CBet at 45.4% which is probably the main cause of my SD stats being low.
My FT 3Bet at 58.5% is probably a bit low, which I think is due to calling low pocket pairs and suited connectors vs a 3Bet in position against a single opponent, which I should probably stop doing. I also think that I'm CBetting too much after 3Betting a steal from the blinds.

Other than that, I'm relatively happy with my stats, any ideas on if I'm on the right track or if there's other leaks that I haven't spotted?

Thanks!

You are playing pretty badly from the BB. I don't see any reason your VPIP from the SB should be higher than the BB. When you are closing the action in the BB you can play so many hands, especially at 2nlz. The rake and increase in how good players are means you probably want to tighten up a bit (still much loser than you are currently) as you move up but now exploit it.

Your name made me laugh the other day whilst I was grinding. Now I know you're not a drooler I'll probably report it, can't be making my grind worse than it already is

Hi, I'm getting wrecked in 5NLz over 13k hands after deciding to focus on it this month. Is it due to variance or are there some leaks with my stats?
3 months ago I posted stats on 100k 2NL hands and I had a 3Bet Preflop of around 3.6, I have since increased it to around 6.5.

@Cupid, Most of your stats are in the normal range, and by the look of your graph, you've already altered you play recently to become more of a blueline player, which is probably a good thing.
A couple of things that are slightly odd are your numbers for BB, where you've got a higher 3-bet than in the SB (which is quite uncommon) but a low VPIP overall in that position. You can do a lot of defending in the BB without needing to 3-bet. Be particularly careful in BB v EP/MP. Very few hands are +EV 3-bets in that spot. Vs BTN or SB you can 3-bet or call pretty wide though.

Run some filters in the SB to confirm that opening over 60% is definitely profitable. (I believe it is, exploitatively in microzoom, but a 40% RFI in SB would be closer to "optimal" in theory, at least).

Your post-flop stats show you're a fair bit more aggressive than average. So you're winning more than your fair share of pots (WWSF is over 50%), but you're not getting to many showdowns (WTSD of 23.6% is low) and you're not winning them very often when you do get there (W$SD of <50%).

These numbers might have been affected by too many spewy double/triple barrels early in the sample, and you may have already fixed that leak, as the blueline started improving at the end of the sample. Just be aware that you don't have to fight for every pot. Try to have some equity when you c-bet and barrel, and also you might benefit from check-calling hands like top pair in a few spots, such that you can induce bluffs, pick them off and win at showdown more often, instead of betting again and making villains fold their potential bluffs.
EDIT: After a closer look at the stats, I think this above bit is crucial. At some point you need to learn how to check-call when OOP as the PFR. I really don't think it's good to have a c-bet frequency of over 70% in UTG and MP, when loads of those pots will be played OOP on boards that are great for a caller in CO/BTN. You'll get floated a lot when you c-bet OOP, and you can stop villains floating you completely by checking instead. It's hard to switch to a check-calling strat if you're used to c-betting at a high frequency though.

Just FWIW, your numbers are kind of what would have crushed the game a few years ago. You're quite "unbalanced" (for want of a better word) with regard to positional VPIP and PFR. That is to say, you're very loose/aggro on BTN and SB, but quite nitty UTG. In the last couple of years, ranges have changed a bit, so people are a little bit looser in EP (like 14% RFI), and don't steal quite so often in BTN/SB. The trend is also towards lower c-betting frequencies, such that you have more "quality" (equity) than quantity. C-betting 72% might still be good up to 10NL, but higher up you'll need stronger c-betting ranges that can defend against (check-)raises.

P.S. Your fold to 3-bet would be fine if you were only opening 40% of buttons, but if you're stealing with 47%+, you should be folding a bit more. Pairs and suited connectors (and Axs) are usually fine though.

@002, I'm sure variance has a lot to do with it, as that's a very small sample. Your pre-flop stats seem reasonable, but I'd need to see some other details, such as RFI, cold-call pre-flop, and (more importantly) some numbers for post-flop like c-bet, WWSF, river call effiency etc.
FWIW, your BTN VPIP seems very high, especially in comparison to your low VPIP in the blinds.

Ha, yeah I've been waiting for somebody to report me on that for years

That's a valid point. I steal from SB vs BB at a very high rate, this is a habit I used to have years ago when I found it very profitable at micro zoom as people seemed to fold far too often from BB in that spot but that doesn't seem to be quite as profitable any more.

As you noticed, I probably fold far too much from the BB, generally employing a 3 bet / fold strategy. This is a leak I'm going to work on fixing now, cheers.



Wow, thanks for the detailed analysis there Arty, you seem to know my game better than I do.

As mentioned above, I think you've pulled up on the same leak that MMSS did whereby I tend to 3 bet / fold a lot from the BB where it would be more profitable to call.
I used to run very good from the SB stealing the BB at almost every opportunity at the lowest levels of zoom, I seem to remember turning a profit from the SB over a large sample size but that doesn't seem quite as effective as it used to be.

About the post flop aggression, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I'm often overly aggro to the point that I end up all in on a bluff far too often. I'm pretty sure I've spewed a lot of money with this overly aggro approach.

I'm just running the 7 day trial for PokerSnowie at the moment and the suggestions it's making are pretty much exactly what you're saying. Basically, I need to pot control a lot more and induce bluffs rather than try to take down every pot with aggression. I think that if I can learn to play a more passive style for a while then I can maybe combine the two approaches into something a lot more effective, reverting back to the aggressive strategy only when the situation calls for it. I guess it's good to have a good handle on both strategies so that you can pick your moments for both rather than reverting to one strategy as a standard.

According to PokerSnowie I've also been underrating high suited combos, suited connectors and suited aces while overrating low pocket pairs, lower suited 1 gappers and KQo so that's something I can work on too.

I appreciate you running through those stats like that, hopefully that advice can make me a lot of money in the long run.

Cheers!

Hey guys, I have a quick question that i thought didn't warrant its own post. I play 2nl 6mac cash games. What should be my 4 bet range vs a 10% 3 bet range? Also against a 7% 3 bet range? Thanks.

It depends on positions. When I'm OOP I'll often 4-bet QQ/AK and a couple of Ax suited hands as bluffs (if villain has a high 3-bet%). When I'm in position, I do a lot more flatting, and I pick different hands (often Ax offsuit) as bluffs. Generally speaking, you should divide your 4-betting range into hands that want to play for stacks (usually QQ+/AKs) and hands that aren't quite good enough to flat, but that work well as bluffs. e.g. A5s can call a 3-bet when you're on BTN vs SB, so you call, but it can't call a 3-bet when you're UTG v CO, so you 4-bet bluff with it.
Tbh, I rarely look at the actual frequencies for my own actions. What hands I 4-bet just depends on the situation.

Hi guys. I'm posting here to get some backup about my play. Little background: Play poker since 02/2016. At first for fun, the I took it serious. At 07/2017 tried to raise a BR for real in sngs and mtts. In a year I made it from $13 to 1.4k playing 100% in BR management which was a big leak.

Then months ago I lost my job and tried to make it trought poker. I live in a poor south amerincan country and I can make it with around 150/200/month because I own my house and don't have family/GF at time.

It worked well, then big downswing arrived and I decided to change to cash like 10 days ago. I know cash also has variance but I find it easier to fight because I can make 400k hands/month if I need it. Right now my goal is 200k/month.

Well.. I post my first almost 100k hands stats. I don't know if I miss to input something important, if so please tell me.

What I think are my leaks:

1- I tend to bet some 2nd 3er 4th made hands in river, then when I get raised I tend to call. Probably the tourney background. I lost lots of 2nd best flush, fulls vs flush, etc

2- I can't solve the cbet in raised pots BvB or BTNvB. I believe I need to have some equity to cbet, and consider ranges. I also check some TPBK, cbet with draws + overcards. Then also I cbet when I have garbage and the board is better for my range. I stoped recently cbeting CO and BTN calls on Axx Kxx boards with lower pairs or air, and cbet more SB and BB with those boards.

No cbet = V bets turn 100%. I find myself cbeting a lot because I hate this. Probably biggest leak lol. Better to forget about the 3bb when board is awful for us?

3- I probably bluff to much. Especialy on blinds battle. I think I don't do it too much on river, but in turn.

4- I am afraid to value bet rivers when no nuts. Example: I have AK in UTG, raise, BTN calls. Board AQ7, bet, call, TURN: 3, bet call, RIVER: K ....... in that spot I would probably check call. Afraid of straight, and sets. I don't know what is right or wrong about this. In a tourney, if I am with a medium/low stack I would check push or just donk push depending on V. But here with 100bbs all the time, I don't know what is better. I know I need to study combo counting but right know I fell like is too much for NL5, I probably need to study begginer stuff. I prefer a rule like "don´t do it with less than 2nd nuts against regs and nits"

5- I need to understand how to read AA in 3b/4b/5b moments. Right now I just take notes and fold JJ/QQ/AK to realy low 3bet% and low 4bet%. I only stack with AA/KK against EP. Not sure if doing it with KK is working. Against other positions a full stacks is TT+ AKo+, always depending on V's stats.

But lot of times I find AA's, even from the crazy maniacs. AK is a cry push/call always.

6- I get too envolved with the crazy recs and maniacs. The way to manage this is to play for value and fold everything else, but I forget and start to catch them with showdown value hand. I will focus on not doing this from now on.

7- I have no idea about when to double barrel and why when is semibluff. If I do it, then I most of the time miss the river bet and lose the hand there.

And, the statss. Thanks!

https://imgur.com/a/EPIi54b

Your overall stats look a lot better than I expected, tbh.
You're a bit nitty overall though. 11% UO PFR in UTG is tight, but OK, but you're only opening 32% of BTNs, which is missing out on a lot of EV. (People fold to steals at near-exploitable frequencies, so you want to get that up to 38% at least).

If you add the stat "c-bet flop" to the positional report, I'm guessing you're c-betting too much in UTG and MP, where you should be check-calling and check-raising a bit more.

I suspect that if you cut down on the volume and focus on quality not quantity, the results will turn around a bit. You're not actually doing too badly. I just think your tightness is holding you back. I mean, if your VPIP in BTN is 20%, and 22% in BB, you're just missing out on loads of profitable situations. It's easy to get into the habit of folding pre-flop too much if you're so busy multitabling. It's kind of curious that you've got time to open over 50% of SBs, but you're folding in the best position (BTN) much more often.

Thanks again arty!

What do you think about my OR chart for BTN? (image). I think I follow it 90%. Sometimes I don't open the bottom range agains guys with 30- fold to steal in BB. But I open more hands out of chart against the 70+ fold to steal ones.

Around 50k hands I was really learning it and surely lost lots of connectors and Kxs Qxs.

Then I did what you said about the cbet flop stat and I find I cbet 82% in BB. I think I just donked 5 or 6 times at first after I remember I could use now again "stars helper" to add that HUD with the V and hero action + position.

It must be when I call SB and they miss cbet.

And I add also 2 BB defense charts. I don't realy know if having -52 bb/100 in BB is a big problem but I probably was calling too much. I play a lot more tight than charts in the 3b/4b part. I don't want to get involved in that until I can manage the "ABC" part.

I also don't feel it accurate. I.E: AKs and AK are 5bet pushes against EP. That ins't a really good idea at NL5, or at least I felt that these 100k hands.

In the calling side I don't know. I try to follow it but not agains maniacs and crazy recs whom will push me off the hand very much. Right now fighting those kind of V's is a problem because I take it personal and I am tring to avoid them with the bottom range.
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You are right and I will start to focus more from monday. Go down to 6 tables, focus more and end pasting the charts to my brains. I also will take the advice some guy gave in a hand I posted about playing 3 hours, study 1. I will flood the hands subforum all day long lol

https://imgur.com/a/EbFuqeC

Every hand was played on NL10 zoom on PS.it.







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Small sample but whatever, I think bb/100 is ok, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of room to improve though, lots of awfully played hands.
Any stats I should double check, something strange etc? W$WSF is too low right?

The chart on the left is very good, and looks close to the 38-40% I use by default. At the lowest stakes you can open even wider (A3o and A2o should be profitable vs the nits at 5NLz, for example, provided you give up as a 'steal gone wrong' if you miss the flop).
The other charts have calling ranges that are a bit too wide imo. You don't make much money by pressing CALL pre-flop.
It's normal to have a high c-bet in the BB, because that's a spot where all your c-bets are in 3-bets pots with a very strong range, unless you're just isolating a limper. (Iso-raises are also made with a strong range, as you can check with mid-strength).
It's your UTG and MP c-bet frequencies that need looking at. You shouldn't be c-betting very often on boards where you'll get floated by CO/BTN. Learn to check-call TPGK etc, and check-raise sets and combo draws to punish the people that stab with underpairs.
You need to get your BB losses down to <50bb/100. Mine gets as high as 48-ish from time to time, but it's because of defending too wide and not check-raising often enough. I'm such a station. I think your loss rate is too high because you're folding to steals too much. You're just a sitting duck if you press "check-fold" before waiting to see what happens. (A lot of players are minraising the BTN or even the SB. You shouldn't be fast-folding to those min-steals).

Everyone makes money with their QQ+ UTG/MP. It's how you play in BTN vs SB and BB with 76s or KQo where you find your edges. If you just fold to steals too much, you have no edge.

Thanks again! I had this leak of never checking value hands in mtts too, for some time I think I fixed it but now it's back. I didn't realise, thanks for poiting it.

Do you think the 3b part of the BB defense charts it's ok? What I don't undestand is frecuency. There are times that I 3b from BB 2 times the BTN guy and in third oportunity I get AQo hand he opens and I just call. Also happens with overall 3betting against all V's.

In BTN vs BB vs SB my strategy sais that JKo and ATo are 4b bluffs. I do it, but I don't understand then if AQo or suited broadways are now not 4bets because of this.

About stealing, I think here my problem is post flop play in steal spots. The thing is: It's ok to let go hands with low and 0 equity against aggresion? I.E: You OR KThh in BTN, BB calls. Board Ac 7h 4c. You cbet because there is an A and he is on BB. He calls, TURN: 9h.

Now, I know next step is depending on V. But how bad is to let this go? check and hope to get a check back?

Other example: How bad is to call in BB BTN's cbet with A high in low card boards? I just call if I have 2 overs and a backdoor. I fold turn depending on turn cbet stat + turn card. Probably overcalling because of BTN's and SB's range.

I think I will let go hands with low equity on these spots for some time. Study about and then start doing plays. But I fell I need to check raise more to big stealers/continuers with air and value on flop in BB and sb. I will focus on that and start studing about this tomorrow.

About calling in BB/SB. I just don't understand frecuencies. In BB vs BTN defese chart from A3o to ATo is a call. What do this means? everytime I get those card I will call? I think the charts are wide for calling too, so I cut it to A5o max. Then, everytime it's a call in that spot?

4-betting ranges are usually polarized, because you expect villain to 5b jam or fold. So you build a 4-bet range from monsters (QQ+/AK) and bluffs with blockers that aren't profitable as calls. You can flat a 3-bet in position with AQo and make money. You can't flat KJo or ATo, so you 4-bet bluff with them occasionally instead. In short, you flat your mid-strength hands (AQo, 88, KJs, ATs, 87s etc), and 4-bet with better hands (QQ+ etc) and worse hands (ATo etc).
Every spot is different and it depends if you have better hands for bluffing (or value-betting). With the KThh, you could definitely barrel with the turned FD. Indeed, if you didn't plan to barrel if you gained some equity, then what's the point in betting the flop in the first place? To a large extent, your turn strat depends on your c-bet strat. I have a pretty low c-bet number, so I can quite easily find over 50% of my range for barreling most turns. If you c-bet too often on the flop, you have too much junk on the turn and have to give up too often. (Being one-and-done doesn't really work outside of 2NL).
I'm not exactly sure which situation you're describing. I'd need to see a hand history.
I think regs (as well as fish) sometimes defend the BB a bit too wide, or at least with the "wrong" hands. If BTN opens for 3x, I'm folding A8o-A2o, along with hands like QTo/JTo. Offsuit dominated hands are troublesome and you won't beat the rake if you defend vs 3x opens with them. Vs 2.5x, I might call with A8o and A5/A4o sometimes. I'll call with all Ax (and loads of other hands) vs a minraise. Offsuit aces actually play very badly OOP vs an open raise. You should be very careful with them, and only defend if the open was very small and came from late position or the SB.

@Iblis, I think you can be very proud of your numbers. They look excellent all around. The only number that looks remotely worrying is the WWSF that you noticed is on the low side. I think it's because you're defending "near-optimally" in the BB pre-flop, and it's dragging down the overall number of pots won. Naturally, you lose a lot more often with the weak range you defend with in the BB. Indeed, you don't have to win 45%+ of pots in that position to break even, because of the pot odds. That said, my own WWSF for that position is 37%, and I have a BB loss rate of about -45bb/100, and I find that is unacceptable.
You're only winning 30% post-flop in the BB, and your loss rate is over 50bb/100 (although the EV is slightly better, so variance has definitely been against you). There are a couple of things that might need addressing:
Firstly, do some population analysis (if possible) to see how often villains are attempting to steal (I guarantee they won't be stealing as often as you do!), and then estimate if you need to play a little bit tighter vs those steals in the BB.
Secondly, try being a bit more aggro (with check-raises and turn probes) when you flat in the BB. Your AF there is much lower than other positions, so I think you're basically not fighting for pots as often. It could just be that you've run badly and kept whiffing flops a lot in the BB, but those BB stats are some things to keep tabs on going forward.
Overall, though, your stats are excellent and you have the winrate to prove it, small sample size notwithstanding. Congrats!

This is today's session having in mind what you said about bb defense. I can't grow VPIP in BTN!!! I don't know what happens

https://imgur.com/a/q3VB707

Thanks @Arty for the congratulations but you're far too kind; I'm single digit beating nl10 on a laughable sample, not destroying nosebleeds after a million hands lol.
As for the BB situation you're definitely on point; I believe that some of the bad WWSF figure might depend on the mw limped post scenarios (they're still a thing for some reason), but I'll definitely take a look at what's going on.
The Agg% on the other hand has no reason to be that low, so I'll try to check/raise and steal more from this position.
Again, thank you for your analysis, see ya when I'll reach 50k hands.

source of the charts ?

Charts come from "Zeros" web. A high stake spanish cash player you may know as "SinKarma". If you speak spanish and are in micros learning there is a video on his web that explains all the charts. If you are in mid stakes there are charts also for NL200/400 adapted to its rake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Shzrml5w#gid=0

Well this week was "good". Ended up in - $1.20 with positive 0.36 EV BB/100. Better than - almost 3 bb/100. These last few days I felt confortable playing and solved so many things about my play. This is because HM2 takes last sunday as "this week" wich was the last day with no 2hs a day study and 9 tables.

And here is something I don't understand. In the last almost 50k hands (this week) I tried hard to grow my openings in BTN but it just doesn't seem to work. So I run filters, I put my BTN OR chart, possition: BTN, "unopened", "VPIP =NO"

And there seems to be only 151 times I folded a chart hand on BTN. Am I doing this wrong??

https://imgur.com/a/Dcb6MVu

https://imgur.com/a/yFLtqnS

EDIT: So I put date range from monday to today (sunday) and things look a lot better

https://imgur.com/a/iRBPBNx

I think you can get HEM to pick Monday (instead of Sunday) as the start of the week somewhere in the settings, so that the "This Week" filter works how you want it.

I think you have the filters correct for that BTN thing. 151 hands out of 9041 hands dealt on the button means your BTN PFR would have been 1.67% higher if you'd played all those K2s K3s etc.

Results over that 48k sample look pretty good though.

my month so far.. any input is appreciated. my button is pretty lol.
https://imgur.com/a/0WYnYXh
https://imgur.com/a/7F5UI5R

also how do you make images appear instead of these boring links?

my month so far.. any input is appreciated. my button is pretty lol.

Hey, has been a while since i want to move up in stakes but first i want to get more confident on my play. I am going to share my stats and I would appreciate some opinions about where are my leaks, It´s Nl 10 Thanks

https://imgur.com/a/dC5skUv