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08-30-2008 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boolean
imo, you should be much more inclined to 3bet late position raises with hands like 22-77. You're going to have a hard time realizing your equity with those hands without the initiative, and since most people are raising lighter from LP, there's no guarantee your implied odds are there.
Against EP raises should I be folding them?
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08-30-2008 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jailblazers
Against EP raises should I be folding them?
Depends on how deep you are versus them and whether or not it's going to be heads up/multi-way.

If I'm 100bb deep with someone who I know is raising solid hands in EP, I'll probably call. If they're loose, or if they're passive, I'm more likely to fold them just because if they're loose, they're not going to pay you off as often, and if they're passive, it's going to be very hard to get all of the money in.

More than 125bb with someone, and I basically call. Less than 100, and I generally fold.
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08-30-2008 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jailblazers
Why do I need to 3bet 2nd best hands though? Doesn't that just fold out hands you have dominated? I thought the general idea was to polarize your 3betting range.

I should review all 3bet pots though.
I have found it easier to play these hands out of position when I have the initiative. In the small blind I would be more likely to 3 bet, since I would rather have it heads up.

To honest I doubt your issues are pre-flop. You should really be looking to see what your doing postflop especially in flops where your not seeing a show down. Are you cbetting too much, not firing a second barellel enough.
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08-30-2008 , 11:17 PM
2 Questions-

Intro: I just purchased HEM, and I've finally been able to analyze my play through the first 5k hands or so- I'm very much not too familiar with how to use some of the statistics to understand some of my leaks..

(a)position
I know that this is a small sample size, but I am losing money from the CO, can I just chock this up to variance, or am I too loose from CO. I just usually followed the principal "loosen up all the way to BTN."


I think especially in micros there will be a lot of limped pots to you in SB where you are forced to play certain hands because of potodds (e.g. 5s6s) I've toned down my aggression a bit, and have started to limp 56ss hands instead of raising them- although I do mix in both (before HEM, I was relentless in raising unraised pots out of the SB- and I think that was a HUGE leak for me). Am I better off continually mixing raising 56ss hands or should I just start dumping them pf because it is so hard to extract value out of made hands out of the SB...


(b)variance? or winner?
I understand that my winrate is pretty high for 10nl and some of the inherent variance factors that come with playing microstakes. I think my game is constantly changing/adapting, but I've pretty much played the same way before I was able to play with HEM. Is my winrate sustainable or am I just on a heater?

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08-30-2008 , 11:21 PM
Way too small of a sample. You're also completing too often in the small blind.
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08-30-2008 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Boolean
Way too small of a sample. You're also completing too often in the small blind.
so what exactly is a "sizable" sample size where my stats will have normed?

20k? 30k?

- How often should I be raising 5s6s in the SB in unraised pots out of the SB? (never/ever?)

- Should I be insta dumping KTo hands against 1 MP opener? 3betting AQs 100% of the time?

I know that my questions are highly situational but last session I definitely noticed I was c/folding too much OTB in 2bet pots multiway..
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08-30-2008 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
so what exactly is a "sizable" sample size where my stats will have normed?

20k? 30k?
20k per position still will have a lot of variance, but they'll be a lot closer than what you have. I'd shoot for that, personally.

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- How often should I be raising 5s6s in the SB in unraised pots out of the SB? (never/ever?)
If folded to you, you can raise it if the BB is a nit. Otherwise, I'd just fold tbh. You don't want to play a BvB battle with 6 high. If it's limped around to you, calling that hand is fine.

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- Should I be insta dumping KTo hands against 1 MP opener? 3betting AQs 100% of the time?
Yes and no. It depends for both questions really, but KTo is such a troubled hand that it's going to be very difficult to play it out of position. As far as AQ, I 3bet it a large proportion of the time, but I call it as well. Whether or not I 3bet AQ from the blinds boils down to a few things.

First, who's raising? Is it a late-position raise from a TAG who will fold or 4bet most of his range facing a 3-bet? If so, I call. If it's a person who's pretty loose and will call 3bets with dominated hands (KQ, QJo/QJs, small pocket pairs, etc), I'll be more likely to 3bet. Is it a nit from UTG? If so, I'll probably just flat there too. You need a pretty big hand to 3bet an UTG open from a positionally aware TAG.

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I know that my questions are highly situational but last session I definitely noticed I was c/folding too much OTB in 2bet pots multiway..
Well, you can always introduce floating into your game, but I think at 10nl it might not work that well since people love to call down extremely light.
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08-31-2008 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Boolean

Well, you can always introduce floating into your game, but I think at 10nl it might not work that well since people love to call down extremely light.
TYVM for responses, I think I've really been burning money with AQs OOP (and HEM confirms this) in 3bet pots and I'm going to start mixing up my play. I almost always used to 3bet it regardless of stats, but I was just getting into too many c/fs and "well.. all i beat is a bluff" situations.

And as for floating, this is also something I've experimented with for a session or two. I think at 10nl with all the potmonkeys I tend to shy away from floating- but I'm much more likely to float highcards/22+ against aggrotags/regs than unknowns running 40/x
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08-31-2008 , 10:12 PM
Hi guys. Are these good spots to c-bet?


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $52.85
BB: $24.25
UTG: $66.50
MP: $45.30
CO: $39.50
Hero (BTN): $70.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, MP calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) 5 4 K (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $5.50,


Invalid hand header: okerStars Game #19966740323: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/28 - 14:16:49 (ET) -- line 1


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $57.70
SB: $50.00
BB: $21.85
Hero (UTG): $52.80
CO: $68.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 7 7
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) J T 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50,

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $25.70
BB: $15.00
UTG: $50.00
MP: $37.80
Hero (CO): $53.40
BTN: $32.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 2 A
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.50) J 3 4 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4,
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08-31-2008 , 10:19 PM
Jailblazers the first hand is OK to cbet so long as you are double barreling most turns since 66-TT will likely float and may fold to a turn bet as well as still being ahead of any naked flush draw. 2nd hand is horrible against anyone who folds to cbets less than 75% of the time. 3rd hand I like cbetting best since we have a dummy str8 draw plus backdoor flush and ace outs.
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08-31-2008 , 10:23 PM
Hand 1: I think it's a good spot to fire 2 barrels to get flush/straight draws and pocket pairs above 66 to fold. Expect to see Kx on the river once you get there though. Firing once on this type of board isn't that great of a plan imo.

Hand 2: I really don't like it mainly because villain has only 40bbs. I like checking behind here. Also, your betsizing is not the greatest here. If I were to c-bet, I'd bet more like, $3.50

Hand 3: Meh, I'm not a big fan of this hand with the half-stack in the pot, either. I don't think it's drawy enough to advocate firing 2 barrels, but I think you're going to get called by Jx, and a ton of pocket pairs when you do bet here. I check behind.
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09-01-2008 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by injektilo
I am struggling to beat NL10 so any advice would be highly appreciated. I am really not looking to maximize my EV yet, but merely to make my play profitable.

In my opinion, loosening up preflop would not help me since I guess the biggest problems are in the post flop play.

Do you have any suggestions based on these stats?

Thanks in advance!

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Anyone?
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09-01-2008 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by injektilo
Anyone?
In general, be more aggressive. Open up in the button and CO, cbet more, bet for value more. You're way too weak/tight for 10NL.
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09-02-2008 , 04:19 AM
Hi guys! Here is my stats after 50k hands on NL50. So what can I say, obviously I am terrible in postflop play. My wins w/o SD kill all my profit. Seems I'm ok in getting value with good hands on SD, because If not this red line, that should be at near 0 value I would have nice profit after 50k hands.
So I'm posting this and going reread all this thread, while getting replys from you (I hope ). Hope this pics help you spot my biggest leaks, where I loose w/o SD.


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09-02-2008 , 06:24 PM
Hi,

I'm not great with stats, and this is the first time I've used HEM, and only have a rough idea what the stats/graphs mean.

Does this graph mean I'm running below expectations, and that I should be running at the thin green line (if no variance involved)....?




And my bb/100 here is -1.45 but it should be 7.5bb/100??? Which is 3.75ptbb/100????




Any comments appreciated guys.

Thanks in advance.
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09-02-2008 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 3AE6YC9l
Hi guys! Here is my stats after 50k hands on NL50. So what can I say, obviously I am terrible in postflop play. My wins w/o SD kill all my profit. Seems I'm ok in getting value with good hands on SD, because If not this red line, that should be at near 0 value I would have nice profit after 50k hands.
So I'm posting this and going reread all this thread, while getting replys from you (I hope ). Hope this pics help you spot my biggest leaks, where I loose w/o SD.
Your cbet % looks normal, but my first guess is that you're cbetting/flop raising in bad spots, given your high flop AF. How much are you betting on your cbets? If you're consistently potting the flop, that's a leak. You're probably missing some good spots to bluff on the river as well. I'd want to see some hands though.
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09-02-2008 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by john_bcfc
Hi,

I'm not great with stats, and this is the first time I've used HEM, and only have a rough idea what the stats/graphs mean.

Does this graph mean I'm running below expectations, and that I should be running at the thin green line (if no variance involved)....?

And my bb/100 here is -1.45 but it should be 7.5bb/100??? Which is 3.75ptbb/100????




Any comments appreciated guys.

Thanks in advance.
Yeah, you're running below expectation. And from the looks of the calculation, those are big blinds, so 1/2 ptbb.

Are you really raising 51% of your limped/unopened buttons? That's pretty exploitable, since given the rest of your stats you're decently tight up front.
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09-02-2008 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Yeah, you're running below expectation. And from the looks of the calculation, those are big blinds, so 1/2 ptbb.

Are you really raising 51% of your limped/unopened buttons? That's pretty exploitable, since given the rest of your stats you're decently tight up front.
extremely exploitable, but someone still has to exploit it! maybe he should tighten up a little, but **** it if people don't play back at him go ahead and open every one
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09-02-2008 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Yeah, you're running below expectation. And from the looks of the calculation, those are big blinds, so 1/2 ptbb.

Are you really raising 51% of your limped/unopened buttons? That's pretty exploitable, since given the rest of your stats you're decently tight up front.
Are people really going to adjust that much at 25nl??

What is a more normalised figure?

My steal pot figure is 39.7%.
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09-02-2008 , 07:40 PM
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09-02-2008 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by john_bcfc
Are people really going to adjust that much at 25nl??

What is a more normalised figure?

My steal pot figure is 39.7%.
Some will. I'd only be stealing close to that much with tight blinds. I'd get that steal % down to more like 35% if you're going to keep playing LAGy. Either that, or table select very well.
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09-02-2008 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TheRapisT
Call less out of the blinds. OOP pots are bad.
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09-03-2008 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by findingneema
Your cbet % looks normal, but my first guess is that you're cbetting/flop raising in bad spots, given your high flop AF. How much are you betting on your cbets? If you're consistently potting the flop, that's a leak. You're probably missing some good spots to bluff on the river as well. I'd want to see some hands though.
I use FT Shortcuts, so my std c/b is 70-75%. I bet less if I think it would be enough. Sometimes more, when needed. Thanks to this thread I found my leaks. 1st is play on blinds - too loose. With my passive postflop play I often were oop with marginal hands and give up too much. I isolated loosers too mush with weak handes like Axo, but were not able to 2barrel them. I'm bad blind thief - no enough with tighters on blinds and too much with loosers. Damn its tough to explain thougts in english. Read - easy, but not write

Thanks to all posters in this thread! You halped me very much!! I'm trying to improve my game. That's what my graph looks like after reading this thread. Lot's of coolers =/ but I dont care. I'm working at my nonSD winings.



ps sorry for my bad english
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09-03-2008 , 04:56 PM
this is my last 6 weeks, in which i've been taking a serious shot at 50nl. you can see (based on non-showdown winnings) that at 13k hands or so i picked up my aggression, based on advice from here and there. that's also where i tightened up from about 25/18 to more like 20/17.

interested to hear what you guys have to say. hit me.





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09-04-2008 , 09:58 PM
Trying this again. Failed the first time. 10k stat for critique.

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