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Old 08-16-2008, 03:52 AM   #251
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

My ignorance got me again and I posted all this earlier in its own thread...sorry about that

These are my stats since July 20th. Lifetime at 25nl 6 max I have 18,500 hands...and am down $288 or so...I played real bad before this sample...during these 16k hands I put my trypants on. These last 4 playing days however have really taken a chunk out of my BR. I can't lose much more, or I'll be under rolled for 25nl with no where to go atm.

I had a significant amount of coolers and/or suckouts during those days...and some mistakes also. I always make a couple mistakes...still learning, but with my current situation I can't make any more mistakes if I'm gonna continue to run bad as well.

I was planning on posting my stats for a while, but now I really feel like I need to plug all my leaks before playing more.

One thing I've noticed is I never feel like I'm getting good value from my made hands unless I'm coolering someone. It always feels like they're check/folding. Not sure if I'm just making this up, or if my AF is too high.

graph -
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2980/720to814ck2.png

general -
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3...alstatsur2.jpg

final hands -
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4...alhandsbh7.jpg

position -
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2...onstatsmw6.jpg

winnings -
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9...ngspagenp1.jpg

let me know if theres anything else I could provide...and thank you very much for any advice! I know the sample isn't huge, but its all I got
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Old 08-17-2008, 09:15 AM   #252
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

i m f**** losing my cool about not behing able to beat nl20.
please help me on this. i almost lost it today and registered on a 0.5/1 table. thank god i regained my senses and didn t even started.

please help me.





BB biggest loser (notice that AT, AJ, TT and JJ are in)



SB biggest loser (notice that AT, AJ, TT and JJ are in)

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Old 08-17-2008, 09:30 AM   #253
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

joe, i'm not a stats expert, but i was a solid winner at 25nl ( 7.x PTBB was my winrate i think) and when i compared my positional stats to yours, you turned out to be VERY loose from the BB.

So as a first evident step, you should definitely tighten up your play in the Blinds.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:00 AM   #254
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the more i look at it the less i think that my pb come from my blind play. if i filter on the blind i folded, i lost 551 $ on the BB and 416$ on the SB so actually, from volontary putting money into the pot (usually trying to steal), i m made 95$ at the BB, and lost 67 at the SB.

in those 67$ losss there's 20 that comes from full vs overfull, 15 from top set top kicker vs full. ok, about 40$ more (i should in fact say less because i lost them ) come from dumb play.

how much was your non-showdow gain/loss? i think i fold too often or perhaps don t push enough.

i also just found out that i m a dumb calling station on the river. out of all the hands out of which i caller a reraise on the river i m losing 150$ ...
i m also losing 150$ when i calling a turn reraise. i would need to check the ev adjusted of those.

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Old 08-17-2008, 11:25 AM   #255
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

from skimming through those stats, you suck out of the blinds... rest looks pretty much ok to me.

try to steal less often when in SB vs BB only (except if he's a nit) because you will be playing marginal holdings out of position too often.

tighten up in the blinds, complete less trash in SB

don't call raises out of the blinds with dominated hands such as QJ/A10 etc.

don't be overly aggressive with hands such as AJ/KQ, dunno, but you might raise too much (3bet too much) out of the blinds after limpers? obviously, no one is folding on NL20, so you are again playing a not so great hand out of position, where if you whiff you just have to cbet/fold... It's often better to just check/complete those hands and play a small pot with those.

don't... ahm, dunno, that's all I can think of for now... hope that might help

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Old 08-17-2008, 01:06 PM   #256
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Re: **Official uNL stats thread, redux**

Hey lemming any chance you could have a quick look at my stats?... they're on page 23 of this thread.. Thanks pep
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:17 PM   #257
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hm, just repost them and I'll have a quick look at them...

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Old 08-17-2008, 01:23 PM   #258
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Okay, so here are my stats for 47K hands at 10NL and 25NL (smaller sample).

As you'll see, I'm basically crushing 10NL, and getting crushed at 25NL. I've also posted my position stats which shows that I am positionally aware. However i feel that I'm not making much at all playing UTG and in MP. I play 18/17 UTG so i'm wondering if this is too loose?

Anyway, PLEASE HELP!! I'd like as much input as possible from everyone. I'm hoping you guys can fix some/lots of leaks that i have in my game. Thanks in advance, pepwa.

Thankyou...
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:41 PM   #259
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Okay, I know I only have 6600 hands, but can someone please point me in the right direction because what I'm doing doesn't seem to be working.

Thanks for your comments and criticism.

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Old 08-17-2008, 04:57 PM   #260
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Can anyone comment on my stats please..
I used to beat 100nl for a solid rate (5ptbb) an year ago playing 18/12, for about 100K hands. Then I started to break even.. something broke down. Took a break, then started 50nl from scratch.. and still looking for some leaks. I didn't move up because I had to cash out a lot. This is all 6-tabling.
I'm not too excited about my winrate, looking to improve..



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Old 08-18-2008, 01:05 PM   #261
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Bump; and as an addendum, should I just play 25NL at Tilt and avoid the 10% rake at 10NL?
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Old 08-18-2008, 01:24 PM   #262
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Okay, I know I only have 6600 hands, but can someone please point me in the right direction because what I'm doing doesn't seem to be working.
Your stats seem to be ok, play more and ship it... And when you think you gained enough experience, you could try to loosen up.
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:35 PM   #263
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What are the reasons for my W$SD% being really low?
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:05 PM   #264
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These are my stats since July 20th. Lifetime at 25nl 6 max I have 18,500 hands...and am down $288 or so...I played real bad before this sample...during these 16k hands I put my trypants on. These last 4 playing days however have really taken a chunk out of my BR. I can't lose much more, or I'll be under rolled for 25nl with no where to go atm.

I had a significant amount of coolers and/or suckouts during those days...and some mistakes also. I always make a couple mistakes...still learning, but with my current situation I can't make any more mistakes if I'm gonna continue to run bad as well.

I was planning on posting my stats for a while, but now I really feel like I need to plug all my leaks before playing more.

One thing I've noticed is I never feel like I'm getting good value from my made hands unless I'm coolering someone. It always feels like they're check/folding. Not sure if I'm just making this up, or if my AF is too high.

graph -
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2980/720to814ck2.png

general -
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3...alstatsur2.jpg

final hands -
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4...alhandsbh7.jpg

position -
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2...onstatsmw6.jpg

winnings -
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9...ngspagenp1.jpg

let me know if theres anything else I could provide...and thank you very much for any advice! I know the sample isn't huge, but its all I got
bump it back up
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:36 PM   #265
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Thankyou...
I know some of this is a style thing, but you should definitely tighten up UTG and MP. SB is super loose as well. Pokey had this in his stats post, but you should be raising at least 50% more often on the button than UTG, and that number should be closer to 100%. If your UTG range is 22+,AJ+,ATs,KQ,JTs,T9s,98s, that's 12%. You could add a few more hands, but anything over 15% means you're playing way too many mediocre hands OOP, and the suited connectors are probably the worst to play OOP.

You're also not folding to 3bets often enough, given how much you're raising. Either you're check/folding a lot of flops, or getting stacked by better hands on "favorable" flops.
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:42 PM   #266
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Okay, I know I only have 6600 hands, but can someone please point me in the right direction because what I'm doing doesn't seem to be working.

Thanks for your comments and criticism.

Here we go:







Loosen up from the BTN and steal some blinds!!! VPIP here should be more like 25. Your issues in the CO may be sample size related. Your river AF is kind of high, but you seem to be doing relatively well at showdown. Are you getting raised on the river often?
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:49 PM   #267
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Can anyone comment on my stats please..
I used to beat 100nl for a solid rate (5ptbb) an year ago playing 18/12, for about 100K hands. Then I started to break even.. something broke down. Took a break, then started 50nl from scratch.. and still looking for some leaks. I didn't move up because I had to cash out a lot. This is all 6-tabling.
I'm not too excited about my winrate, looking to improve..



You're playing way too many hands in the SB, which is a pretty big leak. Your W$SD (55%) is really high, which combined with your low W$WSF and low WTSD%, means you may be folding winners too often. How are you doing showdown vs non-showdown?
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:24 PM   #268
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Your river AF is kind of high, but you seem to be doing relatively well at showdown. Are you getting raised on the river often?
Admittedly, the river is where I tend to spew. I tend to make really thin bets and shoves on the river (as well as bluffs, but I still get called by TPNK and MPNK, hey this is 10NL what did I expect). The frequency of my river bets may contribute to the high frequency at which they are called.
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Old 08-19-2008, 12:43 AM   #269
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always room to improve right? helppp


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Old 08-19-2008, 02:05 AM   #270
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always room to improve right? helppp


Not bad. You're too loose from UTG, and the fact that you're running like god from there (62 W$SD) is probably inflating your winrate. You're also defending your BB too often, so I'd tighten up a bit. Basically, cut down on your OOP pots.
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:14 AM   #271
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[QUOTE=amurophil;5691752]always room to improve right? helppp

Teach me how to play OOP pls. Do you 2nd barrel much? Checkraise floaters? Call down light? Or just run like god? Also, which site is this?
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:56 AM   #272
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Teach me how to play OOP pls. Do you 2nd barrel much? Checkraise floaters? Call down light? Or just run like god? Also, which site is this?
well, like neema said I'm pretty much running like god from utg and the bb. That being said, I do think that I do play especially well when playing from the bb. I don't take any **** from the sb when I'm in the bb, ill 3bet him with anything if he is getting out of line. if he wants to start 4betting me, I just start calling and floating, bluffraising, etc. I try not to play hands without the initiative, but if you want to try calling people down lite, which I assume would be like a midpair or like 88 on a 1 overcard dry sortof board, really try to avoid doing it oop, so mostly just in bvb spots as opposed to button vs bb spots.

oh and, all on full tilt

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Not bad. You're too loose from UTG, and the fact that you're running like god from there (62 W$SD) is probably inflating your winrate. You're also defending your BB too often, so I'd tighten up a bit. Basically, cut down on your OOP pots.
I think you're right about being too loose from utg. sometimes when I'm autopiloting, I find myself raising 65s from utg with some calling station 40/0s on the cutoff and button. I'll work on that

I don't think I defend by bb too much from oop. its pretty much all from effing with the sb.

thanks for the input

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Old 08-19-2008, 10:47 AM   #273
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My problem is that I have been losing 3.8ptBB/100 without showdown for over 22k hands. Is this normal with these stats (stats below)? If not, where should I improve?


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Old 08-19-2008, 12:03 PM   #274
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well, like neema said I'm pretty much running like god from utg and the bb. That being said, I do think that I do play especially well when playing from the bb. I don't take any **** from the sb when I'm in the bb, ill 3bet him with anything if he is getting out of line. if he wants to start 4betting me, I just start calling and floating, bluffraising, etc. I try not to play hands without the initiative, but if you want to try calling people down lite, which I assume would be like a midpair or like 88 on a 1 overcard dry sortof board, really try to avoid doing it oop, so mostly just in bvb spots as opposed to button vs bb spots.

oh and, all on full tilt



I think you're right about being too loose from utg. sometimes when I'm autopiloting, I find myself raising 65s from utg with some calling station 40/0s on the cutoff and button. I'll work on that

I don't think I defend by bb too much from oop. its pretty much all from effing with the sb.

thanks for the input
I mean always room to improve, but you can't keep running 9BB/100 al of the time, I ran like god 12k hands 40NL, beating it for 13BB/100. But then it all dropped down in 8K hands. So it's good to improve, but don't rely on this kind of god like stats. You got this 50NL game down pretty hard, but it can change in seconds, just keep playing your game and you'll be fine . Just don't get to overconfident just for your own good (no offence at all).
I agree with findingneema. And GL @ tables.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:41 PM   #275
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i have few questions to ask and i figured this would be the right place to do it...

http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stati1sh6.jpg

btw the noneshowdown winnings are at -1600$

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stats2la7.jpg

First of all i was looking at that chart and was wondering... should my none showdown winnings should be in positive value... is this a leak which i should
be looking to improve and this is where i i should be looking at to improve my
winrate.....

Second thing is my stats... i figure them to be pretty solid but still... if anyone notices anything worth mentioning i would really appreciate it.

And the 3rd and final question would be... how do i improve my win rate... i am really puzzled about that... i have improved my winrate about 1BB/100 in last 30K hands and been playing a lot better than last month ( learning a lot) but i still dont understand how should i be playing to run at 10-13 BB/100 ( i talked to few people who i know is good winners at my stakes and NL50 and they are having win rates like that.... ) any help/opinions would be great!!! thx...

p.s Mods... if you find this to be THE WRONG place for me to post it at least let the post stay for few hours so i would be some decnent answers... because once its moved i aint getting any answers.... thx

p.s 2

I am reposting this here SINCE THE ADMIN OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ THE P.S PART.... THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR HELP..... anyway so yeah if i get any answers in next FEW YEARS.... it would be AWSOME...
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