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09-28-2010 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lull
I added the stats you needed to help me (and a graph)



My cold call winrate is super high because I only do it with pretty strong hand and never with marginal hands such as SCs.




(ugliest red line ever)


Thanks again for helping me.
You're basically a huge nit. I would open up my game a little pre (but thats not a huge problem), play more IP, and cbet more. Seems like you play fit or fold poker.

Read all the links in that memorable strategy thread sticky.
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09-28-2010 , 12:40 PM
Thanks everyone for your help. You're awesome !



This is 50-200NL (3/4 at NL100)

I filtered with vpip = true and my red line is 1000€ positive so that means that I loose 14500€ by folding preflop, right ?


btw, I used to be a 2.75bb/100 winner at NL100 Fullring over 400k hands on FullTilt.com and I now only play six max on French rooms.
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09-28-2010 , 03:26 PM
Hey so i am playing at bodog 10nl and 25nl. The play is very soft at times and there are a lot of limpers and i am not quite sure how to play at this type of table. I am not sure whether i should be playing very tight or LAG and shold i double barrel more etc.

Here are my stats any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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09-29-2010 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by terrapins44
Hey so i am playing at bodog 10nl and 25nl. The play is very soft at times and there are a lot of limpers and i am not quite sure how to play at this type of table. I am not sure whether i should be playing very tight or LAG and shold i double barrel more etc.
Good solid tight aggressive will do wonders. Concentrate on playing in position and with decent hands(not just premiums though. You can isolate limpers quite wide in position) and when you play play them aggressively.

IMO you are limping or cold calling too much. VPIP 20 and pfr 11(roughly). They should be lot closer to each other like 17/15 or 20/17. Start isolating limpers more. For example you are in button and fish(limpers are always fish ) limps you can raise him with stuff like QTs and quite a few pocket pairs. You isolate him headsup with hand that has quite decent equity and you are in position. Money he puts in preflop is almost fully dead money you can pick up postflop easily.

Also reduce cold calling out of position. Especially all sort of suited connectors which have hard time to hit really hard that doesn't leave opponent with decent equity anyway(not much good if you hit "gin" and opponent still has like 40% equity vs you...) and out of position it's really hard to stack opponent off. Especially if he's passive sort.

You could consider 3betting bit more light. 4% and you are pretty much only value3betting. Add some light 3bets(though not too much at once). Especially good from button vs CO and from blinds vs button steal(often better than calling anyway due to positions and opponents likely wide steal range). These can be pretty damn profitable as long as you don't try against "I never fold to 3bet" guys though you could value3bet light vs them...

You cbet flop a ton but don't cbet turn all that much. You are playing very honest on turn unless you are doing lots of check/call check/raise on turn with quality hands. You are the sort of opponent I would like to float a LOT with virtually any hand assuming you aren't check/calling turn a lot which based on turn aggression is not the case. Cbet turn more often. Valuebet more on turn and find good spots to 2nd barrel.

Your won when saw flop is 35% which means you are playing pretty honest. Try adding some semibluffs and 2nd barrels in your repertuare.

Overall you are doing well but you could do even better and improve your game(handy if you wish to go to NL50 someday) by being bit more creative with your plays. No need to go crazy but just a weee bit more dishonest play would make you lot harder to read. You are atleast on level where most won't abuse you but if you try playing like that against somebody with HUD and ability to use it you are in world of trouble

Also I bet your non-SD line is going straight down a lot
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09-29-2010 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sc00by
Tiny sample. I can easily go out right now and make a session where I play 35/31 and terrorise people then make another session later where I play 13/11 and win for the same rate.

IMO being aggro at the micros is not optimal, the game can be beaten for a lot more by being more selective and value towning better.

A couple of stats there interest me, you dont win when saw flop as much as your aggressive image suggests, which means your not doing it right, lol. Also, your won at SD could be better too.

Again though, really small sample, tons of guys play more hands than this in 1 session, lol


[x] Thinly veiled brag.
Just read that a wwsf of 45 is considered to be good.
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09-29-2010 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Good solid tight aggressive will do wonders. Concentrate on playing in position and with decent hands(not just premiums though. You can isolate limpers quite wide in position) and when you play play them aggressively.

IMO you are limping or cold calling too much. VPIP 20 and pfr 11(roughly). They should be lot closer to each other like 17/15 or 20/17. Start isolating limpers more. For example you are in button and fish(limpers are always fish ) limps you can raise him with stuff like QTs and quite a few pocket pairs. You isolate him headsup with hand that has quite decent equity and you are in position. Money he puts in preflop is almost fully dead money you can pick up postflop easily.

Also reduce cold calling out of position. Especially all sort of suited connectors which have hard time to hit really hard that doesn't leave opponent with decent equity anyway(not much good if you hit "gin" and opponent still has like 40% equity vs you...) and out of position it's really hard to stack opponent off. Especially if he's passive sort.

You could consider 3betting bit more light. 4% and you are pretty much only value3betting. Add some light 3bets(though not too much at once). Especially good from button vs CO and from blinds vs button steal(often better than calling anyway due to positions and opponents likely wide steal range). These can be pretty damn profitable as long as you don't try against "I never fold to 3bet" guys though you could value3bet light vs them...

You cbet flop a ton but don't cbet turn all that much. You are playing very honest on turn unless you are doing lots of check/call check/raise on turn with quality hands. You are the sort of opponent I would like to float a LOT with virtually any hand assuming you aren't check/calling turn a lot which based on turn aggression is not the case. Cbet turn more often. Valuebet more on turn and find good spots to 2nd barrel.

Your won when saw flop is 35% which means you are playing pretty honest. Try adding some semibluffs and 2nd barrels in your repertuare.

Overall you are doing well but you could do even better and improve your game(handy if you wish to go to NL50 someday) by being bit more creative with your plays. No need to go crazy but just a weee bit more dishonest play would make you lot harder to read. You are atleast on level where most won't abuse you but if you try playing like that against somebody with HUD and ability to use it you are in world of trouble

Also I bet your non-SD line is going straight down a lot
Thank you very much! this is just what i needed! and yes my non-SD line is going down a lot! this was good advice very much appreciated.
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09-29-2010 , 03:52 PM
hey guys firs time posting in this thread:

i just need a confirm that I'm having the playing bad running bad syndrome thanks!



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last month was so much better lols... i was way more laggy with PRE than I did now... whoever told me to tighten up can go to *#*($&#@*($&*#@*(

just kidding, i just suck
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09-29-2010 , 10:27 PM
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hey guys firs time posting in this thread:

i just need a confirm that I'm having the playing bad running bad syndrome thanks!



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last month was so much better lols... i was way more laggy with PRE than I did now... whoever told me to tighten up can go to *#*($&#@*($&*#@*(

just kidding, i just suck
If you post positional stats and one that includes cbet 3bet fold3bet etc (just select "plugging leaks - stakes") and post all of them ill review your stats in the morning.
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09-29-2010 , 11:24 PM
sweet 3 sets of boobies man, I hope these pictures give you an insight where my leaks are



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09-30-2010 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by lull

Do you really think CBing (and double barreling) more often is really a good idea ? I mean my CB and DB success is super low, I can't imagine how low it's going to be if I start to CB like 70%.
Well obviously you won't want to fire blindly fire cbet. You do need to keep eye on opponents and board texture. The more wet board it is the more likely you should be willing to check. For example QJ8ss is pretty ugly board to cbet with air as there's tons of pair, 2 pair, pair+straight draw, pair+flush draw board.

Good spots to cbet are relatively dry board when you have decent equity when called. 2 overcards, overcard(s)+backdoor flushdraw(maybe even backdoor straight draw) that adds to your equity nicely and allow you to 2nd barrel with decent equity reasonably often. Cbetting is so common that floating them is becoming more standard so having ability to 2nd barrel is good as they often fold to 2nd barrel.

Also cbet success rate is also bit skewed by the calling stations who virtually never fold to cbet. You don't obviously cbet with air but everytime you have hand you cbet and it "fails" skewing the result.

Just keep eye on opponents playing style and board texture. Don't cbet with crappy equity like AQ on 986 flushdraw board for example. That board is so likely to have hit calling range that cbetting there is throwing money away unless opponent folds to cbets ridiculously often.
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09-30-2010 , 03:54 AM
Well, that's pretty much what I do and that represent about 55% of the flop.

Maybe I could ass well kicked second pair and more draws to my CB range against calling station that love to call with third pair and A high, so that my CB% go up to 65% or something like that.



Thanks for your answer btw
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09-30-2010 , 05:44 AM
is that leak buster thing any good?
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09-30-2010 , 07:55 AM
So I played another 10k hands and things have really started clicking for me.

5NL:





Please tell me if I need to make any adjustments in my game or if you'd like to see some more stats, thanks.
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09-30-2010 , 11:12 AM
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Please tell me if I need to make any adjustments in my game or if you'd like to see some more stats, thanks.
They are looking pretty good. Seems you are playing very solid game. If you wish you can start adding up bit more to 3bets as 4% 3bet is pretty much premium only. No need to go crazy but looking for good spots to resteal against very aggressive stealers and even more so from position. Especially button vs CO.

Then it's pretty much fine tuning post-flop game working on hand reading and reading board texture.

But you keep this up and you'll be at NL10 in no time(I think that's NL5 based on hands, amount won and bb/100)
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09-30-2010 , 02:43 PM
NL10, 55k hands. Let me know if you can see some obvious leaks. I already know that I should increase turn aggression, and I'm working on it. If you are already looking at my stats, take a look on steal success by position, these stats look low, 45~ co/btn and 60% from SB... is that +EV?
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09-30-2010 , 06:32 PM
Need help to improve my game.
I'm playing NL50


Am I very nitty from BB?


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09-30-2010 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JonReremy
is that leak buster thing any good?

eh i don't use it to its full potential so I can't give an honest review yet.

But they are beta testing the new version 3.0 soon so I hope that might make me use it more, but then again my sample size is so small i can only use it say... every 10 k hands or so. if you play like 1 k hands then go back to use it, the information is not updated as drastically until you got more volume of course. And for a guy like me I jump all the stakes (2NL to 10 NL; 40 bb games as well) so my information is a bit skewed you may say.

I guess 3 boobies man didn't reply to my post because all the suggestions he was about to give me was from leakbuster lawls! Ah wells thanks for the offer though got me excited!
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09-30-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by vap3
sweet 3 sets of boobies man, I hope these pictures give you an insight where my leaks are
Your stats are pretty similar to mine. Do you have a positive redline?

But you are calling too many 3bets (like leakbuster said) and prob feel that you are unable to get away from hands in 3bet pots. People dont 3bet light at micro's and if they do they often 3bet very polarized.

Your went to showdown is to high as well just like your fold to flop cbet is a little to low. Do you see a pattern here? I think you are getting to deep with certain hands and think people are playing back too often or overthink certain things.

The fun thing about playing somewhat laggy at microstakes is that you can basically trust on the fact that people rarely play back at you. When someone starts betting into you most of the time they have it. If they play back at you they do it with very bad frequency's and you dont have to make huge calldowns to adjust to that.

I used to make the mistake of thinking that if I was pounding on some 19/12 with 90% fold to cbet he would be adjusting at some point so I would get into leveling wars with myself, not with him, and get it in bad or make too loose calldowns. You can basically bet bet bet bet bet bet and fold when someone raises you, also when you have tptk and even overpairs. At higher stakes this will get you killed but I believe that at 25nl and below this is an near optimal strategy.

Some people will play back though, but at microstakes they usually end up spewing and take really stupid weird lines. So your best defense is to take it easy on them in bigger pots (just keep stealing small pots, that should remain profitable in a vacuum) and let them make a mistake sooner or later. Thats the point, you should basically still give them credit for a while and if they are playing back at you you dont even lose much, you'll just win less of the small pots and keep folding yourself out of marginal spots. Their frequencys are often so offbalance that you dont have to make huge calls or very thin plays.

I think this is a cool example of what I mean that just happened: I am playing 27/22 at this point and this guy is 16/13 that keeps folding, 3betting or calling and then folding 90% of flops (setmining) over 600 hands, he's at all my tables. He should know im not going to 4bet him light, at least, I shouldnt 4bet him light but he still decides to shove his 33 over my 4bet because he "wont be pushed around any longer". I gave him credit for a while and lost a couple of small pots but now I end up with QQ and get it in as a huge favorite (he sucked out of course, but whatever). Ok, its not even a great example because its preflop, but you get my point.

You should take my advice with a grain of salt, just like everything you will ever read or hear about poker because there are always situations that require a slightly different approach. Stats are really static and they only tell half of the story, you should know when to be creative in certain spots. To me that's the most fun thing about this game.

Lol, thats really long. Hope it helps!
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10-01-2010 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AlmostFamous
NL10, 55k hands. Let me know if you can see some obvious leaks.
Your went to showdown is bit low(more used to have it around 27-28%) and won at showdown bit high(though not too high which would mean you are very nitty and making likely too big laydowns) plus your won when saw flop is below 40%. These aren't alarmingly off but you might want to check whether you are folding bit too often before showdown? You might be folding best hand before showdown bit too often when it's not needed.

By any chance your red line is going down dramatically?-) Seeing your low winrate and highish won at showdown I bet red line is the one way down while blue is way up.

Check around whether you are building pot on flop and turn only to fold on river too often. What's your fold to river bet % like?
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10-01-2010 , 02:54 AM
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Your stats are pretty similar to mine. Do you have a positive redline?
for the first 4000 hands, but now that I realize it nope!




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But you are calling too many 3bets (like leakbuster said) and prob feel that you are unable to get away from hands in 3bet pots. People dont 3bet light at micro's and if they do they often 3bet very polarized.
You sir are absolutely correct and for October I hope to tone down that number considerably. I have this mentally that goes, "Oh they must have KK+. IF I flop two pair I know all the money is going to get in the middle (even though I clearly know that the chances of flopping two pair with unpaired hole cards is less than 2% so you can say its a tilt thing) As well, having a small sample size of less than 200 hands, when their 3bet stat is over 10%, I get excited thinking they are 3-betting light and I hope to, "Trap" them with my 9Ts
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Your went to showdown is to high as well just like your fold to flop cbet is a little to low. Do you see a pattern here? I think you are getting to deep with certain hands and think people are playing back too often or overthink certain things.

The fun thing about playing somewhat laggy at microstakes is that you can basically trust on the fact that people rarely play back at you. When someone starts betting into you most of the time they have it. If they play back at you they do it with very bad frequency's and you dont have to make huge calldowns to adjust to that.

I used to make the mistake of thinking that if I was pounding on some 19/12 with 90% fold to cbet he would be adjusting at some point so I would get into leveling wars with myself, not with him, and get it in bad or make too loose calldowns. You can basically bet bet bet bet bet bet and fold when someone raises you, also when you have tptk and even overpairs. At higher stakes this will get you killed but I believe that at 25nl and below this is an near optimal strategy.

Some people will play back though, but at microstakes they usually end up spewing and take really stupid weird lines. So your best defense is to take it easy on them in bigger pots (just keep stealing small pots, that should remain profitable in a vacuum) and let them make a mistake sooner or later. Thats the point, you should basically still give them credit for a while and if they are playing back at you you dont even lose much, you'll just win less of the small pots and keep folding yourself out of marginal spots. Their frequencys are often so offbalance that you dont have to make huge calls or very thin plays.

I think this is a cool example of what I mean that just happened: I am playing 27/22 at this point and this guy is 16/13 that keeps folding, 3betting or calling and then folding 90% of flops (setmining) over 600 hands, he's at all my tables. He should know im not going to 4bet him light, at least, I shouldnt 4bet him light but he still decides to shove his 33 over my 4bet because he "wont be pushed around any longer". I gave him credit for a while and lost a couple of small pots but now I end up with QQ and get it in as a huge favorite (he sucked out of course, but whatever). Ok, its not even a great example because its preflop, but you get my point.

You should take my advice with a grain of salt, just like everything you will ever read or hear about poker because there are always situations that require a slightly different approach. Stats are really static and they only tell half of the story, you should know when to be creative in certain spots. To me that's the most fun thing about this game.

Lol, thats really long. Hope it helps!

^^ SO THIS, man i really want to reply of all the stories of HOW TRUE THIS IS, but im so tried so 3 boobies man I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LONG POST. Believe me I'm going to read it more than TWICE.

If my next 50 k hands i show a profit, I'm shipping you something lolz thanks again. I know i have more to say cuz your post is really good but im tried from work so I'll reply more in a future post. THANKS AGAIN
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10-01-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Your went to showdown is bit low(more used to have it around 27-28%) and won at showdown bit high(though not too high which would mean you are very nitty and making likely too big laydowns) plus your won when saw flop is below 40%. These aren't alarmingly off but you might want to check whether you are folding bit too often before showdown? You might be folding best hand before showdown bit too often when it's not needed.

By any chance your red line is going down dramatically?-) Seeing your low winrate and highish won at showdown I bet red line is the one way down while blue is way up.

Check around whether you are building pot on flop and turn only to fold on river too often. What's your fold to river bet % like?

yes, I noticed my red line was going down way more than it was at NL4. I was losing -12bb/100 at non-sd on NL4 and -18bb/100 on NL10. I thought this is because I'm running bad at NL10, so many coolers, etc... but after 55k hands I think it's more likely that I changed my game.

River vs Bet fold: 74%, OMG!
on NL4 my River vs Bet fold was 62.6%
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10-01-2010 , 07:47 PM
Hi,

this is my first stats post and i hope its enough to analyze. If not, tell what you need.

Im playing 6max only for a few months at Stars at the 50bb tables, because they are so fishy. Now at NL25 for 10k hands. Any feedback, advice or if you can see some leaks would be very helpful for me. thanks therefore.


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10-01-2010 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxVariance
Hi,

this is my first stats post and i hope its enough to analyze. If not, tell what you need.

Im playing 6max only for a few months at Stars at the 50bb tables, because they are so fishy. Now at NL25 for 10k hands. Any feedback, advice or if you can see some leaks would be very helpful for me. thanks therefore
the gap between your VPIP and PFR is too large, you limp/cold call too much. you limp on SB too much, your implied odds go down 50bb deep, so I wouldn't even limp with Axs/SC/sPP's, and you are limping even more than that.
you are calling too many 3bets, 38% is very high, around 20% is std, this is usually a big leak.
hope it helps.

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10-02-2010 , 12:48 AM
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yes, I noticed my red line was going down way more than it was at NL4. I was losing -12bb/100 at non-sd on NL4 and -18bb/100 on NL10. I thought this is because I'm running bad at NL10, so many coolers, etc... but after 55k hands I think it's more likely that I changed my game.

River vs Bet fold: 74%, OMG!
on NL4 my River vs Bet fold was 62.6%
Yeah that seems to confirm my suspicion. You are calling/betting flop and turn only to fold on river bit too much.

Try to make a plan how far you want to go with your hand as soon as possible. So on turn if you don't feel like you can pay both turn AND river bet and you have no specific read that would make you comfortable in knowing there won't BE river bet fold turn(unless you get obviously good enough odds to draw out. Refering to situation where you have decent hand that could be ahead but could be behind and you are facing barreling). I try to do that and as a result my fold to river bet is around 50%...(actually now at NL10 it's even lower. Maybe getting bit TOO low). I'm simply folding hands I'm not comfortable calling river bet before it even comes to river unless I'm drawing for big hand for right price.

And I'm being more careful about cbetting and double barreling. Make sure you don't cbet on ugly boards for example. Q98 with flush draw is just horrendous board to cbet so if you bet there with say AK you are causing red line to drop almost every time...
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10-02-2010 , 08:46 AM
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Yeah that seems to confirm my suspicion. You are calling/betting flop and turn only to fold on river bit too much.

Try to make a plan how far you want to go with your hand as soon as possible. So on turn if you don't feel like you can pay both turn AND river bet and you have no specific read that would make you comfortable in knowing there won't BE river bet fold turn(unless you get obviously good enough odds to draw out. Refering to situation where you have decent hand that could be ahead but could be behind and you are facing barreling). I try to do that and as a result my fold to river bet is around 50%...(actually now at NL10 it's even lower. Maybe getting bit TOO low). I'm simply folding hands I'm not comfortable calling river bet before it even comes to river unless I'm drawing for big hand for right price.

And I'm being more careful about cbetting and double barreling. Make sure you don't cbet on ugly boards for example. Q98 with flush draw is just horrendous board to cbet so if you bet there with say AK you are causing red line to drop almost every time...
Thanks man, I will consider this. I moved to nl20 yesterday, I was 3-4 tabling and after 1.5k hands my red line is breakeventish. I was 8 tabling on nl10, maybe that's the reason.
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