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10-01-2017 , 05:25 PM
I'm a live pro playing online for training, with the hope of eventually being able to supplement my income with online poker. Some days I just don't want to leave the house, lol. These hands are from 5NLz on Ignition. I was intending to "beat" each stake before moving up. It's a small sample where I ran hot but I feel okay about trying 25NLz (10NLz doesn't run all the time)

I know my c-bet is lower than most winning players recommend, but it has been working for me. I rarely c-bet without at least some backdoor equity, and check a lot of my TPGK depending on the texture, especially OOP.

The stats I am most considered about are 3-bet/4-bet stats, as my skills in that area are very underdeveloped due to live games being pretty passive. In live poker people rarely 3-bet so 4-bet spots don't come up often and it's often correct to fold quite a lot to 3-bets and only 4-bet AK/KK+.




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10-03-2017 , 01:36 PM
@browni3141 I no longer play on the site regularly, but I think everything looks good for those stakes. I think you should move on to 25nl for sure. Moving up you may need to increase your postflop aggression. 1.67 is pretty passive. Possibly need to increase your flop c-betting a little. I would private message .isolated for some advice. I believe he plays there and is a regular in this part of the forum.

In regards to this:

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Originally Posted by browni3141
The stats I am most considered about are 3-bet/4-bet stats, as my skills in that area are very underdeveloped due to live games being pretty passive.
I don't believe zone or anonymous poker is the best way to exercise advanced 3-betting and 4-betting skills. You want to develop these on sites where you can acquire a large hand history on opponents. I believe with anonymous and zone your 3-betting and 4-betting strategy should be more of a straight forward approach based on population tendencies.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 10-03-2017 at 01:56 PM.
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10-09-2017 , 07:26 PM
Hi all.

Been a lurker around here for a while, started a 2NL to 100NL journey so going to be more active (check out wordpress: microstakesgrind for updates) and just wanted to check for any gaping holes in my game from stats. Been playing for a few months but only seriously trying to improve over the past 15k hands or so. Seemed to be going well but hit a lovely 18BI downswing, so fighting out of that. So from the past 15k hands at 2NL FR (888poker), here are my stats;







Thanks in advance
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10-22-2017 , 12:21 PM
hi all.

stoped playing long before black friday. so these are my first 10k hands for like forever. not sure how todays games are played and i am happy that i came out ahead. things i already decided to change are: a) buying a better tracker and b) focus more on regular 6max instead of zoom.

any hints based on these stats were i should start to improve aspects of my game are highly appreciated.

stats:


graph:


positional stats:
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11-26-2017 , 05:22 PM
Where to look for major leaks?

I'm usually a somewhat of an 18/16/3 player, marginal winner at NL25 playing at stars. Lately I've been trying to develop my game and opening up my ranges a bit. The last 25k hands I've been playing 22/17/4, which have been quite brutal. Fortunately, not so brutal on the bankroll but mostly mental.

Where should one start to look when the aim is to improve post flop play?





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11-30-2017 , 12:47 PM
I have always had a higher red line that blue line for past few years (i dont play often but i've kept track). This year i played a bit more, and moved up to 5NL pretty quickly (40 buy in rule for me) but should be making the jump to 10NL (zoom) soon. If I'm winning it shouldn't matter that my redline is higher right? I think it's due to thin value betting and over bluffing. I'm 24/20 usually, 9 3bet.

maybe i should be looking to check down more on the river?
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12-06-2017 , 08:21 AM
Hello everyone,

as you can see i played quit a few hands on pokerstars (mostly 2NL and a little bit of 5NL and 10NL). I only played for fun, but from time to time i looked into some strategy. At this point i have a little bit of free time and therefore i want to work on my game again.
I thought this forum would be a good starting point.

So i will post my stats and would be greatful for every input i can get.

Thx in advantage,
Milu





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12-06-2017 , 08:53 AM
Acctualy it was more 5NL and 10NL than i thought

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12-19-2017 , 07:56 PM
I feel like my play has gotten much better since my last check-in in May:


Lately I've been trying a different style for reasons below:



My wr does look like it went down but the ev wr is almost identical but have a higher hourly.

A few thoughts on my play:
I'm giving up ev on hands to get more hands per hour.
This also gets rid of a lot of variance from those **** +.05bb/100 hands.
I'm doing this while dumping stacks here and there that should lose < 20bbs.
The biggest adjustment I've made is open limping the small blind. This has been

General thoughts:
If you can't beat Zone on Ignition, you suck.
Poker's so ****ing stupid that you can play like this and have any kind of decent wr.

An actual comment on my play:
For the year, I'm losing money opening from the button if I get rid of all broadways and all pairs. This surprises me. I haven't yet dropped to opening only those hands though I suppose it couldn't be bad since it'd seemingly actually up my wr and hourly.

Perhaps the optimal stats on Ignition are somewhat tighter than I'm playing.
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12-22-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Milu93
Acctualy it was more 5NL and 10NL than i thought

Your fold to 3bet is way to high. 3bet vs you is autoprofit.
need more postflop stats to say more
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12-22-2017 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
The biggest adjustment I've made is open limping the small blind. This has been
i think open limping in lower stakes is pretty bad with rake consideration and people not 3betting nearly enough BB vs SB.

Can u post some actual stats open limping SB. Might be interesting
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12-25-2017 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I feel like my play has gotten much better since my last check-in in May:


Lately I've been trying a different style for reasons below:



My wr does look like it went down but the ev wr is almost identical but have a higher hourly.

A few thoughts on my play:
I'm giving up ev on hands to get more hands per hour.
This also gets rid of a lot of variance from those **** +.05bb/100 hands.
I'm doing this while dumping stacks here and there that should lose < 20bbs.
The biggest adjustment I've made is open limping the small blind. This has been

General thoughts:
If you can't beat Zone on Ignition, you suck.
Poker's so ****ing stupid that you can play like this and have any kind of decent wr.

An actual comment on my play:
For the year, I'm losing money opening from the button if I get rid of all broadways and all pairs. This surprises me. I haven't yet dropped to opening only those hands though I suppose it couldn't be bad since it'd seemingly actually up my wr and hourly.

Perhaps the optimal stats on Ignition are somewhat tighter than I'm playing.

optimal flop cbet is 60+ at microstakes. All but the worst of flops are cbets HU when you aren't getting bluffed (maybe at 50z stars pool will do this enough but that just means you cant go 70% cbet) . Anything that's not double broadway or 987 type is a bet with atc. Something like QhJh3c is a bet with any Th/Ah/Kh, any gutshot against the biggest stations who call with any gutshot and 22, its even more of a bet (somewhere between overcard or backdoors and atc) if you can discount overpairs or they are tight reg. Winning future streets once in a while gives you free manies as well like when you make 3rd pair and win or you get gin turn card for barrel. Yes free cards are nice but not nice enough according to math when you have 33%+ FE (with atc). You can cbet 2-way ezpz when one reg is tight by style or by ranges and the board is dry like A73 or T83 FD. 70% is closer to optimal in tighter pools like stars where pool is not half fish and pots go mw a lot. Btw this is with 50% pot cbet, 60% is almost the exact same though.

Last edited by pokerforumposter; 12-25-2017 at 05:55 AM.
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01-02-2018 , 05:50 AM


These are my stats from the last 2 months playing mainly nl2 and nl5, although in the end i played some nl10 aswell.
I wanted to know if you can see any leak that i dont, because i feel like i can play better but looking at the statistics i dont manage to see them. It seems like i 3-bet a lot, but lately i have reduced my 3-betting range, overall OP.
Also i think i am a bit of a fish in some spots, like overvaluing top 2 when they lead river and a possible flush draw is possible, or bluffing too much (i try to sometimes 3-barrel bluff or raise river as a bluff, which most people agree are not necessary at the micros, even though lately i have reduced those drastically).
I play in pokerstars.es, which as you probably know is a regulated market (lets see if they roll out the shared liquidity once and for all ) and, as such, is the spanish site with decent traffic.
Sorry for my english, and thank you
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02-18-2018 , 08:02 PM
Just started playing again and I have a huge leak. At least it's obvious. I'm guessing this is a common problem for a lot of noobs? Is the fix to tighten up and 3b more in the BB? And am I really missing value by having a positive red line? I think it's a combination of me taking advantage of weak ranges with my marginal hands (not being too aggressive with my strong hands), and playing so many nits/weak bots. Thanks.

Graph:


Graph excluding BB play:

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02-18-2018 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tigerswin
Just started playing again and I have a huge leak. At least it's obvious. I'm guessing this is a common problem for a lot of noobs? Is the fix to tighten up and 3b more in the BB? And am I really missing value by having a positive red line? I think it's a combination of me taking advantage of weak ranges with my marginal hands (not being too aggressive with my strong hands), and playing so many nits/weak bots. Thanks.

Graph:


Graph excluding BB play:
Those graphs do not indicate any leaks, your red line will always be positive without bb

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02-18-2018 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
Those graphs do not indicate any leaks, your red line will always be positive without bb

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So my rate of loss in the BB is align with a winning strategy? Hard to believe. Thanks for the response.
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02-19-2018 , 01:02 AM
redline doesn't matter. try to recoup at least 2/3 of your BB (-33bb/100 or better).
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02-19-2018 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
try to recoup at least 2/3 of your BB (-33bb/100 or better).
Thank you for the response. Any suggestions for reading material on where this number comes from? I'm right at that number in 5NL, but nearly -60bb/100 at 10NL. Pretty small sample sizes so far, so maybe I shouldn't over-adjust, but something for me to keep an eye on. Thanks.
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02-20-2018 , 12:52 AM
That number is just from experience. If you're at 40, you have noticeable leaks. If you're at 50, it's very bad. Can be anything from overdefending, to x/c flop only to x/f turn too often, to not 3-betting enough. So many things. Only you can tell after a decent sample.
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02-20-2018 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Cassim
i think open limping in lower stakes is pretty bad with rake consideration and people not 3betting nearly enough BB vs SB.

Can u post some actual stats open limping SB. Might be interesting
I'm unsure what you mean "actual stats". I can only really tell you the percent that I do limp. I limp 22% of hands. I raise 18%. I fold too much for the same reason I started playing nitty and limping in the first place.

wrt the first part of your post. Limping has been far and away more profitable for me than raising whenever I want to play.

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Originally Posted by pokerforumposter
optimal flop cbet is 60+ at microstakes. All but the worst of flops are cbets HU when you aren't getting bluffed (maybe at 50z stars pool will do this enough but that just means you cant go 70% cbet) . Anything that's not double broadway or 987 type is a bet with atc. Something like QhJh3c is a bet with any Th/Ah/Kh, any gutshot against the biggest stations who call with any gutshot and 22, its even more of a bet (somewhere between overcard or backdoors and atc) if you can discount overpairs or they are tight reg. Winning future streets once in a while gives you free manies as well like when you make 3rd pair and win or you get gin turn card for barrel. Yes free cards are nice but not nice enough according to math when you have 33%+ FE (with atc). You can cbet 2-way ezpz when one reg is tight by style or by ranges and the board is dry like A73 or T83 FD. 70% is closer to optimal in tighter pools like stars where pool is not half fish and pots go mw a lot. Btw this is with 50% pot cbet, 60% is almost the exact same though.
Thanks for your thoughts, pfp. I'd have thanked earlier but I never came back to read replies to my post.

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02-20-2018 , 05:03 AM
i finally decided to get pokertracker so i would like to get some feedback on my stats. obviously i play super laggy but i get bored easily and i think i hand read well so it works for me. i just see everyone else's red line on here is in the negative and that's where literally all of my winnings are coming from so that struck me as pretty strange.




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02-21-2018 , 01:19 AM
@dblrun,

you are far too aggressive, so I'd keep that in mind. Looks like your opposition is overfolding vs. you quite a lot, but this will only happen for so long and then you will get ran over--either when some of your opposition adjusts or when you move up stakes.

25vpip in EP is far too high for example, you are likely opening a lot of hands that are (or will) losing you money.
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02-21-2018 , 03:18 AM
appreciate the feedback brokenstars. i'm planning on tightening up my EP opens quite a bit. i'm lucky that the games i play in are mostly all rec players and not capable of making necessary adjustments. but you're right about moving up in stakes. i've been in the process of making the switch from 25nl/20nl to 50nl and the game plays way different.

i think my biggest leak might be hero calling rivers. i ran a filter on my results and removed every hand where i made a call on the river and the results speak for themselves... EDIT: i don't know if this is a fair representation tho because i guess you're supposed to lose money on river calls? what with pot odds and defense frequencies and what not. i'm looking at leak finder now and it's saying my Won Showdown after River Call % stat is good. anyone have information / advice about this?


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03-05-2018 , 01:22 AM
Coming from someone who tried to run into the 50 and 100 ZOOM pools with a very LAG game, tighten up before the variance begins to bite.

A solid tight and aggressive game with a solid defence is the best way to go- save yourself the pain and the inevitable mega downswing
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03-05-2018 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dblrun28

i think my biggest leak might be hero calling rivers. i ran a filter on my results and removed every hand where i made a call on the river and the results speak for themselves... EDIT: i don't know if this is a fair representation tho because i guess you're supposed to lose money on river calls? what with pot odds and defense frequencies and what not. i'm looking at leak finder now and it's saying my Won Showdown after River Call % stat is good. ]
Cant say about you specifically, but many people call river too much because they dont realise how passive population is. Make sure you have a good idea of what hands your opponent will bluff (if any) and count the combos and compare to value

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