Wanted to check out the new rakeback system yesterday. Played a z200 session, generated about $2,300 in rake, got $95 in rakeback.

Pretty sure I am done with Stars, unless software or game options are REALLY horrible on other sites. I mean, I might play a few hands now and then, but I'd be very surprised if I ever played regularly on Stars anymore.

but how much did u lose?

Lol, won about $210.

it is literally impossible to pay 2300$ in rake at z200 in a day, thats like 25k+ hands

Yeah sounds like you're looking at table rake or something.

So whats the rake % we're looking at now, compared to what it was before?

Well, apparently it's possible. I played 14,292 hands, the attributed rake in PT is $2,300.92. I guess I play looser than some of you guys.

It's amazing how many random russian/ukranian (and some UK) players at midstakes had prolonged and distinguished careers, breaking even at 10nl 4 years ago, before suddenly reappearing as mid stakes bad asses out of nowhere.

rakeback is about 1-2% CU in 500z!

Yea this is concerning AF.
And it's also weird that there is no serious discussion about this..
It's like ppl are willing to accept the fact that there is probably some form of cheating going on but there is no point reporting to stars cause stars won't really do anything about it.

lol, i mean stars security were all fired when amaya bought to save $. Missing the chat mods anyone?

oh word

Welcome, new people!

Man i have classic bot suspects AlexeSsz and I xFlake I running almost identical in my db.

Calm down, lad.

I live in the same city with xFlake and can confirm he's no bot (we met in person, nice guy btw). He's been improving his game by working in SimplePostflop during recent months which gave him considerable boost in understanding of the game.

As for AlexeSsz, he's also from our Far East region and most likely (90%+) isn't a bot either. Even though, I've never met him personally, he's actively blogging over at GipsyTeam.ru (which you most likely heard of). xFlake's blog can also be found there.

The one thing I can't explain is their "identical" stats in your DB as I'm almost certain they've been studying the game independently from each other.

Hi,

I see there was some merging of subforums done. Why?

I used the term "bot suspects" because it had been mentioned here before but was sort of tongue in cheek. I made that post hoping that other regs could confirm or deny the same thing in their DB, I realise that it could be sample size issue.


However moving on to the other points brought up by this, by bot I meant software assisted not an actual bot. I think the days of meeting people or them having a blog, as proof that they are not cheating, is gone (case in point, romulaz, and those 2 zoom regs). That being said, I have no Idea if they are/are not using software. I just had them both sat at my table the other day and couldn't believe how similar their stats were. I seem to remember suspecting both of them a while back but they had differing stats in my db, now they've basically converged.

I'm also not being funny but the list of players i have reported to stars that i suspected of botting/player assisted have all been banned bar one. That list includes Romulaz, gotnuts9999, Kalben, D33xter (sp?), IDDDQD (sp?), Grinerman, Hysteric111. There are a couple others that I can't remember off the top of my head, the only guy i suspected/reported that hasn't gotten banned was Luismi92. I have good form with my reporting, It's not like I'm just throwing randoms under the bus. Fwiw I haven't reported Alex or flake since i'm not sure but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to discuss it



Hey, yeah some forums have been merged due to the limited traffic they had been receiving. in this instance ssnl and micro nl have been merged.

No problem man. I respect your efforts in trying to keep the games clean.

It's just that I've played a decent volume with these guys and can't imagine neither of them to be a (semi)bot.

Also, as you've mentioned, their playstyles have been changing over time too frequently for a bot.

So I think this is just a sample size issue.

Feel like 200nl reg speeds have been running amazingly all week and the zoom pool is as soft as I ever remember it being (mind you this is happening late at night in small pools but I'm sure alot of you can attest to this). Less RB regs cant be bad for game selection.

Game quality is always proportional to rake.

Just came back from a cruise where they had some 1/2$ running and decided to jump in for the lulz. Rake was 10% capped at 25$, but it was obvious a serious grinder could pull 15-20bb+/hr there.

haha this is true, and it seems with all the scared money RB grinders gone every single 200nl reg is just overbluffing when they overbet rivers against capped ranges. Never seen something so funny to play against, like guys we get that you can figure out my range is capped. Now maybe work on constructing some value combos to have in this spot it would go along way.

Hello all!

All good, I trust your opinion gl at the tables fella.

First of all, I have no clue if they use something or not.
But having a blog is no argument at all. Same as that u personally know them.
It's like saying, their Stars Acc got verified by their ID.
It's an indication that they exist, but not more, so if their stats seem very "botish" Stars should took a look into them, better to report someone too much, then someone not enough in today's times.


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if they insulted people more in the chat would you believe they were human Lux?