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05-23-2018 , 06:17 AM
SB: $4.72 (94.4 bb)
BB: $3.06 (61.2 bb)
UTG: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
MP: $9.17 (183.4 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 7
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.11, SB raises to $0.38, BB folds, Hero calls $0.27

Flop: ($0.81) 4 5 T (2 players)
SB bets $0.38, Hero calls $0.38

Turn: ($1.57) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB folds

V is probably fish, i need about 32% if he shove to call so this is easy call?
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05-23-2018 , 06:39 AM
How can you give Villian T8o J9o and not QQ JJ ? No folding in turn got 13 outs to the nuts. There's a chance our A might be live. Good chance we are going to get stack Villian if we hit so got decent implied odds and. Get to play river in position
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05-23-2018 , 07:28 AM
We should just fold pre vs fish.

Turn bet is too big. Just bet 1/2 pot and you get the same result vs fish. If he shoves, I guess we should call.
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05-23-2018 , 07:45 AM
Misread hand history looks fine I think .
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05-23-2018 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NormaJeane
We should just fold pre vs fish.

Turn bet is too big. Just bet 1/2 pot and you get the same result vs fish. If he shoves, I guess we should call.
If villian is a fish then that's more of a reason to call preflop as he is going to make more mistakes post flop than a reg.
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05-23-2018 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cantor1987
If villian is a fish then that's more of a reason to call preflop as he is going to make more mistakes post flop than a reg.
Because fish only 3-bets like QQ+/AK. And calling 3b with A7s vs that range is not profitable. I'd prefer to call with 66+ to set mine and medium SC for straight/flush draws + 2-pairs possibility because of great implied odds.
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05-23-2018 , 08:51 AM
check the turn
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05-23-2018 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NormaJeane
Because fish only 3-bets like QQ+/AK. And calling 3b with A7s vs that range is not profitable. I'd prefer to call with 66+ to set mine and medium SC for straight/flush draws + 2-pairs possibility because of great implied odds.
Agree completely if it's a tight passive fish and he's 3betting that range. It all depends on what type of fish he is.

And I didn't mean in this hand in particular I meant that using the reasoning that folding because villian is a fish is not correct . We want to play more hands with bad players that are going to make huge mistakes postflop.
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05-23-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cantor1987
Agree completely if it's a tight passive fish and he's 3betting that range. It all depends on what type of fish he is.

And I didn't mean in this hand in particular I meant that using the reasoning that folding because villian is a fish is not correct . We want to play more hands with bad players that are going to make huge mistakes postflop.
But what type of hands though? I would say hands that have great implied odds like set mining hands and SCs that can flop 2-pairs and sd/fd.
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05-23-2018 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NormaJeane
But what type of hands though? I would say hands that have great implied odds like set mining hands and SCs that can flop 2-pairs and sd/fd.
And look how we flopped: nut flush draw, best overpair draw, and serious backdoor straight possibilities. I like A5s or ATs a bit better (DUCY?), but our hand isn't badly off.
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05-24-2018 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
check the turn
Why? Thus hand has weak SDV, good equity, and turn card is better for our range.
Is it because we don't want to fold vs a x/jam?
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05-24-2018 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
And look how we flopped
idk why we would because that's being results oriented and we don't want to look at poker that way. Do you know the odds of flopping a fd? I haven't plugged it into flopzilla but intuitively, I'm going to say that SC's are > A7s here for a few reasons that are (hopefully) easy to figure out.
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05-25-2018 , 04:33 AM
You probably could fold this pre vs fish as some other people said but if you know how he plays calling can't be too bad.

OTT two lines seem decent xb and bet big to commit ourself.
Question is if we xb and opponent bets on say a river 2 are we calling with our sdv? If you don't mind calling then xb works, other wise just bomb call it off
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05-26-2018 , 02:19 AM
I think folding pre is a bit extreme. Vs normal players you're calling this raise with like 250 combos and if you start folding suited AX (which I assume also means you want to fold all your KXo, QJo, QTs, KTs, J9s, T8s, 98s, lower pocket pairs), you're folding something like 40% of your range that would profitably call a good player just because of him being "bad" in a general sense. It could very easily (and likely does) make more sense to call more hands than less here. I think it's pretty bad advice to say that we should make any pre flop adjustments to our strategy here with the info provided.

Post flop is fine, and yeah you can't fold turn if he shoves. You don't care if you have to stack. That range in your picture doesn't look anything like what I would expect his x/r range to look like though. Some of those hands won't raise pre and some of them won't check turn. There's likely hands that you didn't select that will be in his range that we have equity against, but I can't tell you what those are. I'd say an x/r is pretty unlikely in this spot, but you aren't even far enough behind his value to make it something you can fold to.
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05-26-2018 , 03:50 AM
Calling this hand pre is not the worse call in a sense that we have decent card, positional and skill advantage.

I just think it's better to call first with set mining hands and SCs
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05-26-2018 , 03:55 AM
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we have decent card, positional and skill advantage
It has been a long time since I've read a line out of Baluga ****ing Whale's book.
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05-26-2018 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Renekton
Why? Thus hand has weak SDV, good equity, and turn card is better for our range.
Is it because we don't want to fold vs a x/jam?
Yes, it's mostly about avoiding a check/jam since we have the gutshot. We have too much equity and we want to realize it.
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05-26-2018 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
It has been a long time since I've read a line out of Baluga ****ing Whale's book.
hehehe I probably read that book 5 times. used to think his advice was gold
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