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07-20-2019 , 10:38 PM
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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
HERO ($12.45) [VPIP: 26.4% | PFR: 22.3% | AGG: 33% | 3-Bet: 10.8% | Hands: 90911]
CO ($13.08) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 21.1% | 3-Bet: 8.3% | Hands: 55]
BTN ($19.43) [VPIP: 24.8% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 34.6% | 3-Bet: 6.5% | Hands: 407]
SB ($6.43) [VPIP: 70% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 37.5% | 3-Bet: 10% | Hands: 62]

Dealt to Hero: 6 K

CO Raises To $0.28, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.18

Hero SPR on Flop: [19.95 effective]
Flop ($0.61): 5 5 4
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: 12.50), HERO Raises To $1 (Rem. Stack: 11.17), CO Calls $0.70 (Rem. Stack: 11.80)

Turn ($2.61): 5 5 4 8
HERO Bets $2.15 (Rem. Stack: 9.02), CO Calls $2.15 (Rem. Stack: 9.65)

River ($6.91): 5 5 4 8 6
HERO Bets $9.02 (allin)
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07-20-2019 , 10:55 PM
puts his overpairs in a pretty bad spot, but I think that a lot of his double floats are HH, would prefer to see the BDFD brick. We do have a considerable amount of 7x / boats / flushes that triple. Turn is quite large, we could probably get away with a smaller sizing.

I probably wouldn't but this board is better than 22356 for us
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07-20-2019 , 11:11 PM
you sure love to bluff huh

I'd stop after he calls the raise OTF, but atleast you turned equity. Wouldn't jam river tbh.
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07-21-2019 , 01:08 AM
way better as a flop float. u block... 65 and kk.. way thin as a blocker bluff u might as welll b doing it w atc
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07-21-2019 , 01:20 AM
you can't float K high out of position we are going to get 2/3 of the way to showdown with no showdown value
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07-21-2019 , 01:31 AM
We have bdfd and bdsd to continue on plus k hi. Hes not guaranteed to even fire again. Tbh I have HU pio ranges memorized if its dif in 6m I'll give it to you but if it's a bvb/ co or btn steal range aka h.u it's a float. U think raising is better?
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07-21-2019 , 03:01 AM
This bluff seems reasonable. Not thrilled but what can you do?

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Tbh I have HU pio ranges memorized if its dif in 6m
If it's different in 6m? and you're giving advice from HU pio to a 6m hand where utg opened? Come on.
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07-21-2019 , 03:12 AM
i guess river depends on your image. if i'd played more than a few hands with you im probably snapping with my PP...

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07-21-2019 , 04:42 AM
I would fold or 3bet preflop. It's a disgusting hand to flat pre OOP as the good flops (like KK6, opponent has Kx or getting a flush and your opponent has lower flush) where both you AND the opponent have hands to play for stacks with are rare. Most of the time the pot is gonna be small and you have no hand, no position, no initiative.

However, if you do make such calls preflop you gotta sorta defend your bad play by bluffing flops with quite a high frequency. Rep you have small pp that flopped a set kinda thing. I like the flop raise but not sure I like turn and river play. He can't have a busted FD (and 67 got there on turn) here so what exactly is he folding after he calls your turn bet? Looks like he likes his hand quite a bit and an overpair might cry call the river overbet.
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07-21-2019 , 07:48 AM
A4hh,A5,65,67,55,66,88+ all calldown..which given he is slightly tighter than optimal ( so I assume his CO range will be tighter as well) what hand does he call flop AND turn with? If you got the fold then you got lucky..risking 9.02 to win 15.93 means he has to fold his b/c flop and call turn range on the river 56%+. I dont think he has that many B/C,C,F hands in his range. Even if we assume he only hero calls JJ+ for overpairs then hes calling river with 13 combos + 24 overpair combos and folding 77,88-TT(18 combos) that's 37 to 18 so hes only folding 32%. You would have to find roughly 22 combos of b/c,c,f hands to make river jam profitable. Seems unlikely

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Last edited by thegibson; 07-21-2019 at 07:54 AM.
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07-21-2019 , 08:26 AM
finally you managed to pick up a hand with equity when called to bluff with, congratz
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07-21-2019 , 09:49 AM
I'm not sure about the river jam but the rest is WP.

I think villain can have straights, boats, and flushes otr so I don't think we should do much over betting. I think 2/3 and 75% should get most overpairs to fold on that runout. If we want to be able to value bet 7x and 5x we need to use a smaller size then AI.
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07-21-2019 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
I'm not sure about the river jam but the rest is WP.

I think villain can have straights, boats, and flushes otr so I don't think we should do much over betting. I think 2/3 and 75% should get most overpairs to fold on that runout. If we want to be able to value bet 7x and 5x we need to use a smaller size then AI.
We also have very few bluffs in our range on this run out so we should be using smaller bets anyway.
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07-21-2019 , 10:55 AM
^ spot on
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07-21-2019 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by simplelessons
We also have very few bluffs in our range on this run out so we should be using smaller bets anyway.
Good point - that helps us save money when he ships the river on us as well.

Villain ended up tank folding in game.
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07-21-2019 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
A4hh,A5,65,67,55,66,88+ all calldown..which given he is slightly tighter than optimal ( so I assume his CO range will be tighter as well) what hand does he call flop AND turn with? If you got the fold then you got lucky..risking 9.02 to win 15.93 means he has to fold his b/c flop and call turn range on the river 56%+. I dont think he has that many B/C,C,F hands in his range. Even if we assume he only hero calls JJ+ for overpairs then hes calling river with 13 combos + 24 overpair combos and folding 77,88-TT(18 combos) that's 37 to 18 so hes only folding 32%. You would have to find roughly 22 combos of b/c,c,f hands to make river jam profitable. Seems unlikely

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lol

All overpairs should be folding this river

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 07-21-2019 at 01:00 PM.
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07-21-2019 , 12:56 PM
looks good
I think we're supposed to ship on 7/6 and smaller otherwise?
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07-21-2019 , 02:26 PM
wp
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07-21-2019 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
This bluff seems reasonable. Not thrilled but what can you do?

If it's different in 6m? and you're giving advice from HU pio to a 6m hand where utg opened? Come on.
Wot? I thot co stood for cutoff n c.o steals a lot. Esp in a short handed game. Get a notepad U gin learn 2day
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07-21-2019 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
Wot? I thot co stood for cutoff n c.o steals a lot. Esp in a short handed game. Get a notepad U gin learn 2day
You think CO ranges and HU ranges are even remotely similar?
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07-21-2019 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You think CO ranges and HU ranges are even remotely similar?
Not only this the psychology of a 6m player and a hu player are completely different. 6m players are likely not playing anywhere close to optimal when they play hu.

and yes, forgive me for seeing the person opening first to act as utg . The point stands. You're silly for thinking that playing vs. co in a ring game is the same as playing the sb in a hu game.

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07-21-2019 , 03:36 PM
bears mentioning that you picked a good playertype for a bluff do that more! haha
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07-21-2019 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Not only this the psychology of a 6m player and a hu player are completely different. 6m players are likely not playing anywhere close to optimal when they play hu.

and yes, forgive me for seeing the person opening first to act as utg . The point stands. You're silly for thinking that playing vs. co in a ring game is the same as playing the sb in a hu game.
I'm still clawing my way up, and I obviously don't have full pio strat memorized, just bvb on a 554 board. What range would u give co here I gtg to store w my mom but when I'm home I'll run a sim and if I'm right u have to apologize for cyber bullying
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07-21-2019 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
I'm still clawing my way up, and I obviously don't have full pio strat memorized, just bvb on a 554 board. What range would u give co here I gtg to store w my mom but when I'm home I'll run a sim and if I'm right u have to apologize for cyber bullying
its not rocket science.

CO opens between 28-35% of his range on average.

HU SB would open up between 50-60%
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07-21-2019 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
if I'm right u have to apologize for cyber bullying
I already kinda did. I removed the comment prior to you quoting it and posting as it's not even in your quote . I don't give the c/o a range here. It's not worth it.
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