Hero (CO): 136.4 BB
BTN: 314.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Ts Th
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (6.2 BB, 2 players) Td 8d 4s
Hero ??

What is the best line to take at this spot? Check raising either the flop or a safe turn? Or playing it as a 3 street value hand?

in theory you should be checking quite a bit
if you want to have a x range, TT is a good hand to have and you can c/r TT and T8s, together with 9d7d/9s7s and Jd9d/Js9s

or you can bet 2/3p with your good hands. the fact that you block Tx is not that relevant, since there are enough of his worse hands that continue

it's just generally harder to play these spots oop when you bet too much

I’d x/r

Check-call or check-raise the flop. Typically I x-raise and balance with some NFDs or combo draws (like J9dd or QJdd).

So we're c/r with our sets? Wouldn't it be better to cbet the flop and barrel 3 streets? Flop is connected and by c/ we give him a chance to check back and draw free 9 J Q or a diamond. I mean TT is on top of our range , why shouldn't we play it like AA KK ( betting 3 streets )

On a more dry board c/r is probably the best line

You should be checking this flop a lot, x/r prevents villains from relentlessly betting when checked to, also if you’re betting this and all other sets on this board your checking range will be really weak

Yes. I haven't c-bet top set OOP in a SRP for about 4 years. :/
Bottom or middle set can c-bet sometimes though.

It's impossible to play for stacks (unless villain raises or you bet 3x pot or something) if you just go bet-bet-bet.
If you check-raise flop and barrel turn, the river is the most standard jam in the world.
You don't play TT the same way as KK+ on Txx, because top set is a LOT better than AA/KK. It wants to play a huge pot, and the best way to do that is check-raise.

i get that in theory we want to be check raising. but in practice villains probably under-stab so I would just bet myself.

Almost anything that is going to call a c-bet (plus a few more hands that would fold to a c-bet) is going to stab.
No-one except for the most passive whales/nits at 2NL-10NL are checking back top pair, a flush draw, or many straight draws. Villain might check back 76s/65s or 99/77 or something like that, but those were never going to play a big pot anyway. I think it's mandatory to check so that villain can bet hands like QJs, AQ/AJ or an underpair. He won't often call the check-raise, but getting him to put some money in the pot and then fold his equity is win-win.

Just FWIW, MPS/Monker has it as 100% check on the flop (solved with only a 60% c-bet sizing available), and check-raises 100% of the time vs a bet.



I think it's a significant leak to c-bet top set in spots like this. If you're not checking the nuts, then I presume you have no check-raising range. That's not a good strategy, and kind of defeats the point of playing 100bb deep.

Very appreciated everyone, as played

Dealt to Hero [Ts Th]
UTG: folds
MP: folds
Hero: raises $0.07 to $0.12
BTN: calls $0.12
SB: folds
BB: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td 8d 4s](6.2 BB, 2 players)
Hero: checks
Villain: bets $0.17
Hero: calls $0.17
*** TURN *** [Td 8d 4s] [Jc](13 BB, 2 players)
Hero: checks
Villain: bets $0.34
Hero: raises $0.99 to $1.33
Villain: calls $0.99
*** RIVER *** [Td 8d 4s Jc] [Qh](66.2 BB, 2 players) (effective stacks 100bb left)
Hero ??
what's the play on this river?

On that river you probably have to check(-fold) exploitatively, expecting him to check back his two pairs and lower sets. Unfortunately he probably only bets straights for value, and can balance with a couple of missed FDs, which makes your set nothing more than a bluff-catcher. It's a spot that's underbluffed, and villain would have to be crazy to try and v-bet JTs or QJs.

Are there enough things to get called by that would justify a hero's 33% blocking bet? or is it totally villain dependant?

I can't tell, but, it seems like the turn xr needs to be bigger.

I agree that i should have the effective stacks at spr 1 on the river so i can shove,but by raising 7x instead of 4x on the turn villain will be contunuing only with the nut flush draw/combo draw and will play very fit or fold on the river