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NL5z - JJ vs x/raise turn and shove river 3Bet Pot NL5z - JJ vs x/raise turn and shove river 3Bet Pot

08-06-2020 , 08:33 PM
    Party, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

    SB: $7.80 (156 bb)
    BB: $5.95 (119 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $5.92 (118.4 bb)
    MP: $5.63 (112.6 bb)
    CO: $5 (100 bb)
    BTN: $7.62 (152.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J J
    Hero raises to $0.10, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.45, BB folds, Hero calls $0.35

    Flop: ($0.95) 9 4 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    Turn: ($1.95) 3 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, SB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.35

    River: ($5.95) A (2 players)
    SB bets $4.85 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.95 pot ($0.29 rake)
    Final Board: 9 4 7 3 A
    SB mucked and won $5.66 ($2.71 net)
    Hero mucked J J and lost (-$2.95 net)


    Villain no info / allways have problem with hands like this TT-QQ on that boards , how should i play this hand? turn stack off is good play or fold because in V range we have KK AA and its good play x/raise turn on that board with those hands? is possible on nl5 ppl bluff turn like this with AK ? because almost 100% time they show minimum KK , on nl5 ppl dont bluff often right?
    NL5z - JJ vs x/raise turn and shove river 3Bet Pot Quote
    08-06-2020 , 08:42 PM
    Haven't seen the result, but Turn villain has set you up for a river shove. If you're gonna call, I believe it's better to shove it yourself, in case villain has AK and is planning to fold if 3-betted.

    If you think you're behind, fold is fine. JJ is a bluff-catcher given the line.
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    08-06-2020 , 10:07 PM
    of course this depends on villain read. But turn check raise there seems strong where QQ+ shows up too much. I would lean towards fold turn without read. AP Is a close next best option imo.

    One question I’ll always think about is if the roles were reversed, is your average villain at your tables stacking off with JJ? (Maybe assume the river is a T or something instead of an ace).

    In the long run you will have to an equal distribution of AA vs JJ or JJ vs AA.. or whatever. These JJ situations are always tough. Your making money by minimizing your damages with JJ in those cases. Your opponents however won’t have the discipline to let JJ go.. even when the ace hits .. all too often villains will have a hard time letting it go and may just pay you off.
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    08-07-2020 , 10:23 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bantam24
    of course this depends on villain read. But turn check raise there seems strong where QQ+ shows up too much. I would lean towards fold turn without read. AP Is a close next best option imo.

    One question I’ll always think about is if the roles were reversed, is your average villain at your tables stacking off with JJ? (Maybe assume the river is a T or something instead of an ace).

    In the long run you will have to an equal distribution of AA vs JJ or JJ vs AA.. or whatever. These JJ situations are always tough. Your making money by minimizing your damages with JJ in those cases. Your opponents however won’t have the discipline to let JJ go.. even when the ace hits .. all too often villains will have a hard time letting it go and may just pay you off.
    Well put. Very often I see two regs-ish battling each othere, 3-betting and calling a 4B pre flop, you can often tell which has JJ on a 9 high board and which has KK and AA.

    Maybe they have their own personal dynamics between themselves, so we can't really judge as deep, but reads are often accurate and the JJ guy shoves or calls in the hopes the other has AK.
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    08-08-2020 , 06:30 AM
    think I might jam turn
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    08-08-2020 , 07:06 AM
    idk, why would AA-QQ and 99 check the turn vs our UTG flat in a 3bet pot. Surely should be looking for 3 streets and wanting to avoid overs, dry board though so maybe trapping works. I definitely don’t think we’re always dead here. Definitely seen tilt/f*** you raises with random stuff ott before
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    08-08-2020 , 07:57 AM
    Looks fine.
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