PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 51.8 BB (VPIP: 29.00, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 6.07, Hands: 67,366)
Hero (BB): 241.4 BB
UTG: 352.4 BB (VPIP: 21.30, PFR: 15.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.54, Hands: 67,577)
MP: 100.6 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 4.77, Hands: 67,596)
CO: 242.2 BB (VPIP: 25.53, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 5.14, Hands: 67,421)
BTN: 397.4 BB (VPIP: 29.50, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.03, Hands: 67,652)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.4 BB, 2 players) 9 5 J
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (24.4 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 11.6 BB, BTN raises to 32.2 BB, Hero calls 20.6 BB

River: (88.8 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 68.4 BB, Hero calls 68.4 BB

The main issue with this hand has to do with the exploitative reasoning that vils aren't balanced enough with their bluffs here to call down at this level. However, in my experience, this spot is bluffed A LOT, even overbluffed, and that if you fold here too frequently your wr will disappear. However, I could just be getting unlucky within my sample and have been getting bluffed above average.

This is vils range here. All scs that aren't straight draws are spades:

JJ,99,55,33,AKs,AJs,QTs,J9s,T8s,AsQs,AsTs,As8s,8s7 s,7s6s,As4s,6s4s

Please feel free to pick it apart if you disagree. I've left out some of the straight draws and some of the flush draws, and even with this, I'm getting the right price. But, again maybe this spot is underbluffed and I need to leave out more of those bluff combos. I also left out 5x, as I don't think he raises turn w sdv.

The other issue could just be we shouldn't go for thin value here on the turn in the 1st place. I'll post results soon.

So you're saying that 5NL villains are checking behind wet and dynamic flops with air/equity in 3bet pots to raise delayed leads on brick turns, alot/too much? I doubt.

Your turn bet can barely be described as a value bet, 77 is beneath your value betting range. You have 2 outs if behind. If you're not folding this hand on the turn, what are you folding?

Nuts or nothing. We have a pair. Can't fold. This seems well played but I wonder what the solver says.

Do you ever post actual strategy or is everything a troll post?

OP,

This hand is a train wreck.

1) Just call preflop. The Expected Value goes up for IP the deeper stacks get so you want to be doing less 3 betting not more. Also your 3bet sizing needs to go down the deeper you are.

2) Check the turn - there is literally no reason to bet. We have showdown value and we are OOP.

3) As played, fold the turn. We are at the bottom of our range. I'd rather have KQ here then 77.

Look forward to results.

Why is that? Wouldn't it need to be bigger ?

Agreed with DooDoo here. I'm checking these flops with a lot of my range and folding turn as played.

No that's a common misconception.

So if you look at solvers. The EV of IP goes up naturally the deeper stacks get.

So let's say you have AA OTB and you raise 2.5xBB, BB calls 100BB stacks.

Your EV would be a certain number.

Now let's say you have AA OTB and you raise 2.5xBB, BB calls 200BB stacks.

Your EV number will ALWAYS be higher here. Even though nothing has changed except the stack size.

This is because position matters much more the deeper you get.

So we should be 3betting SMALLER OOP with deeper stacks not bigger.

Thats not how it works. Our Ev obv goes up the deeper we get cause the amount we can win gets bigger.
fi lets use 77 vs AA : for 100bb : 0.1952*10 - 0.8048*5= -2.099
for 200bb : 0.1952*20 - 0.8048*5= -4.144
So our decision to 3bet becomes even more negative the deeper we get. Or more positive if we have aces.

What we wanna do when OOP and deepstacked is 3bet less cause there is no way to manipulate the stack to pot ratio in our favor to diminish our positional disadvantage as we would with 100bb stacks. Which is why people say 3bet to bigger size oop so the ratio becomes smaller leaving less room for us to make mistakes. So yh position matters a lot more as there is a lot of room to maneuver postflop.

as for the hand i agree with DooDooPoker. Dont 3bet pre, and as played fold turn.

Call pre, no 3betting in this spot with these stack sizes.

Fold turn to the raise.

but this has been said before. Well written by DooDoo btw

These are interesting responses so far, especially about 3-betting when deeper stacked. Just to clarify, the consensus is that when deeper we SHOULD be 3-betting for a larger size but we SHOULDN'T be 3-betting as wide OOP hands like pocket 77s.

LOL dude. Is this a joke? Are you multiplying hot and cold equity (All in equity) for AA vs 77?

There's so many things wrong here I really don't even know where to begin. Honestly, the fact that I am arguing with a guy who multiplies the All in Equity of AA by the Stack Size vs the equity of 77 and the Stack Size and somehow thinks this shows that 3betting BIGGER OOP is more optimal just shows how little you understand poker.

1) We under realize equity OOP

2) Of course AA will have gain more EV the more money we put into the pot. I am talking about a RANGE, not the preflop nuts.

3) You can't *solve* a spot by multiplying the All in equity of a hand x the Stack Size because guess what - we are not all in!

4) Go study Monker Range preflop 200BB stack depth. They have solved preflop and 3betting smaller OOP at deeper stacks is 100% higher EV, it's not debatable.

5) I'm done helping you. Please remain ignorant and completely clueless when it comes to poker. Just like 90% of this forum.

I hate it

See doodoos post

Even if you suspect V is overbluffing, this ain't the hand to hero with

1) well done stating the obvious

2) i was giving an example in realtion to what u said lol. Obv our range and his is bigger then AA. I dont think anybody is confused about that.

3) and 4) again we arent solving anything. As i said, i am merely trying to give op an understanding of why 3betting these hands is worse the deeper you get, and why our range should tighten. Other then look guys here is another chart, they solved it. We trying to learn people to play poker and why decisions are good or bad and make sure they understand where it comes from.

5) i wasnt the one asking for help but obv 90 percent of us are terribad fishes and you are the 5nl pro crushing everybody. How could i forget?

Never thought that this was a spot that was overbluffed at NL5Z, but this just looks like villain has exactly 33.

Interesting to learn that you should be 3 betting narrower and also less the deeper you are. Narrower felt like quite intuitive but less feels completely wrong, but I'm sure it's right.

Thanks for all the feedback. Vil had T8s this time, but I guess I got lucky...
I'm curious as to what we would defend here, however. Just our weaker Jx that doesn't c-bet???