I think that we cannot fold preflop given those Pot odds. Now my question is if we should Float the flop (and bluff rivers). Im not that competent in 4betpots and im not sure what range to put on an unknown who 4bets this size.

Don’t 3bc this hand, do it with KQs. I prefer flatting this hand pre.

Pre is fine either way, call is whatever.

I'd expect villain to be a weaker player the majority of the time, so I'd expect this 4B to be a little mergy like TT+/AQ+ maybe. I'd fold flop vs this sizing, wouldn't even trust villain to fold AK on rivers.

I don't like to have a flattingrange in the SB in generall, this was recommended to me by many people. I think its very exploitable by the BB when he is IP and we are OOP and capped. If I have to flattingrange, 3betting KQ is not too loose IMO

Yeah, this combo is close but it’s a fold. Our hand is just slightly too weak imo.

Also, our 3bet range isn’t super wide either so if we’re calling this combo facing a 4bet then we’re likely overdefending.

That makes sense. But at the same time we need 21 % equity to break even, and since calling has to be better then folding, we need even less than that since we need to do better than -4BB right? So is it really a problem if we overdefend? its not like villian is using a standard sizing, he looks like a bad player...


But if its really close like you say, I'd probably rather save myself the variance in this spot, especially given high rake. But overall I think im gonna overdefend and call most better hands.

If you’re planning to overdefend, I generally tend to jam more rather than call more.

There’s definitely a line in the sand in terms of which hands realise enough equity/ play ok against their range and which ones don’t as a call.

Dont flat - 3b is finE. Fold to the 4b despite it being a click back.

It's hard for me to realise where that line exactly is ^^

Is there such thing as overdefending? As long as it's +EV it's fine imo.

3b pre is at least as good as calling if not way better, calling the 4b is kinda close. Flop just fold, cant raise cant float oop

It’s something that’s fine to do usually if you go slightly out of line- so generally here and there maybe adding a call, adding a shove, things like that. I guess I’ve seen where the lines are a bit more because I hyper exploited a lot of situations to see if people defended correctly etc.

If you flat too many 4bets, people just barrel you more and 4bet you with a more merged and wider range. If you start jamming wide, people start 4bet calling hands like 99, TT, AQs etc.

A general rule of thumb is even if you know something isn’t the default play but it’ +EV and you only do it once in a while, that’s ok. Just realise that if you do something too much, it begins to hurt your overall strategy.

Flop is obv fold we dont have any BD draws our outs are pretty weak unless we hit that T.
I dont think folding pre vs 4b is bad we dont 3b much worst thatn this.