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[NL50] Hero has 2 pair (again) [NL50] Hero has 2 pair (again)

05-10-2020 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 6 Deuce Suited
What kind of villain did you plug into your solver's output? If something like 14/9, then yeah, clear check. But are we checking back against a 52/8? 72/24, 33/11?

It's all player dependent. Sometimes a check, sometimes a clear value bet. So again, if you're unwilling to bet AA here in some spots, you're doing it wrong. If you're assuming villain is never betting AA here, I would strongly challenge that assumption.
monkersolver preflop ranges
again i don't see many hands worse than AA calling. KJ? And that's a super thin call... 80% you get called down youre running into 2pairs+

so by that logic, AA isn't a potsize vbet otr and I'm not going to assume villain can't see that same thing

Of course against a fish I'm vbetting that and maybe even any king, but we are not a fish and our opponent supposedly knows that
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05-10-2020 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 6 Deuce Suited
What kind of villain did you plug into your solver's output?

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If this was possible, you would see on a snowy day, a monkey eating pie - oh running amok like jumanji

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It's all player dependent.
GTO doesn't care about your hand, villain's hand, your strategy, villain's strategy

what matters is that for <insert combo here>, we bet 3.14159% , we raise 2.71828% and fold remaining times
(we dont want to split our ranges to have checks - brain will explode already memorizing these )

also notice villain can never have <insert combo> here, because it would have 3bet pre and can never arrive at the river here because villain left his life jacket and canoe at the pawn shop
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05-10-2020 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
I guess solver doesn't know how to play poker
actually yes, it does not - just like any other computer/system

it has a set of instructions to take your input and spit an output

I "design" stuff - my CAD software does not know to "design" stuff

it is you who has to make the interpretation/judgment/decision on what it throws in 3D technicolour
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05-10-2020 , 11:31 PM
Have you ever used a solver? You can input the preflop ranges you want, you can give villain a tight/loose preflop style, you can input his stack size (I've read you saying GTO doesn't work when shortstacked???). You can even go into what he does postflop, you can input what you expect his c-bet to be and then solve, for example.

If you're trying to argue that solver solutions are not to be taken into account when deciding if something is a value bet or not against a reg, I don't know what to say anymore xD

Also, before solver talk I've just sppoken about a spot being underbluffed by pool... so on and so forth, literally giving you the play I'd make based off of exploitative reads on pool, but as soon as you see a screencap of a solver solution, all logic must go out the window and you must trash on gto and how it's useless basically.

And if you've ever seen me parrot what a solver does without interpreting it with human logic, quote me on that.

Last edited by aner0; 05-10-2020 at 11:39 PM.
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05-10-2020 , 11:35 PM
Looks fine.
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05-11-2020 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by aner0
monkersolver preflop ranges
Can you be more specific?

I’m assuming this means a mix of loose/tight/passive/aggro/etc. villains and then it averages out the results?
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05-11-2020 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dubakkur2
If this was possible, you would see on a snowy day, a monkey eating pie - oh running amok like jumanji



GTO doesn't care about your hand, villain's hand, your strategy, villain's strategy

what matters is that for <insert combo here>, we bet 3.14159% , we raise 2.71828% and fold remaining times
(we dont want to split our ranges to have checks - brain will explode already memorizing these )

also notice villain can never have <insert combo> here, because it would have 3bet pre and can never arrive at the river here because villain left his life jacket and canoe at the pawn shop
My point exactly.

So if a solver with no player input says never value bet AA here, then it must be correct?
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05-11-2020 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 6 Deuce Suited
Can you be more specific?

I’m assuming this means a mix of loose/tight/passive/aggro/etc. villains and then it averages out the results?
No it's preflop GTO ranges, solved with a super computer or some shizzle I assume.

And no of course I'm not gonna look at solver result and copy it like a monkey, I'm just saying as a standard play without trying to exploit V tendency
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07-09-2020 , 03:16 AM
Really close, have approximately same amount of value and bluff combo.
I would say it really depends on the opponents. If he/she is likely overextended on value betting (which is AK).
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