BU OR, Hero 3-Bets 98 from the SB, BU calls.
Vil is a reg, we are about 160-170BB deep.
Flop: QT3
Hero bets 60%, Vil calls.
Turn: QT3J
Hero bets 75% pot, Vil raises about x2.5
While I dont ever see any reasonable villain raise anything less than K9/AK here, he likely 4-bets AKo pre a lot and even if he has K9 or AK, he will often flat the turn bet with them a lot, therefore: Am I right that folding is ridic in this spot?
Tough spot. Problem is you're drawing dead against his better straights but I don't think its safe to rule out worse value raising. I'd continue with sets before this. If you're convinced he's a "reasonable villain" then fold.
@Unsporting: I dont understand how check calling makes sense here. I also dont think that villain never folds to the cbet, but I do think that its a ****ty board and I find the c-bet kind of close.
@bearer: should he raise K9 on the turn? With the way stacksizes are he'd have about a potsized bet left if he called the turn. Also he should 4-bet AK mostly and even if he had AK he would also be tempted to call the turn, right?
Then again, what the heck would he be raising there?
oh yeah true. That is strange. Idk if i can fold.
How sure can you be he never raises QJ or JJ or JT or something like that? Maybe even KQ.
I dont think he should have a raising range at all, so the fact that he does means he could be raising some weird hands imo. It could also just always be the nuts, but whatever, we have a straight on a non flush, non paired board in a 3bp.. F it, take my money if you got it.
oh yeah true. That is strange. Idk if i can fold.
How sure can you be he never raises QJ or JJ or JT or something like that? Maybe even KQ.
I dont think he should have a raising range at all, so the fact that he does means he could be raising some weird hands imo. It could also just always be the nuts, but whatever, we have a straight on a non flush, non paired board in a 3bp.. F it, take my money if you got it.
Thanks. I also think as long as the possibility cant be excluded that he might be raising a set or a 2pair, there is probably no way out
I imagine 89s is just a fold pre being 165bb deep. There arent many boards that you want to get all the money in. Even if you make a flush, BTN is going to have a ton of higher flushes in his range, and it doesnt make the best straights and pairs.
I imagine 89s is just a fold pre being 165bb deep. There arent many boards that you want to get all the money in. Even if you make a flush, BTN is going to have a ton of higher flushes in his range, and it doesnt make the best straights and pairs.
you mean you wouldnt 3-Bet 89s preflop because with the stacks being deeper, you expect villain to fold less? I have quite a good winrate 3-Betting suited connectors Blind vs Button but maybe it goes down if villain folds less, idk
Way too many sets and two pairs play this way to consider folding.
QQ, TT, QT and 33 totally flat rainbow flops like this somewhat often, with plans to raise OTT. JJ totally possible, QJ and JT totally possible. Maybe even KK and AA
