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11-23-2017 , 07:51 PM

Tiltsicko

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Villain doesn't seem like a reg. Should my 4bet OOP preflop be bigger than 22 BB if villain is 3betting to 10 BB? I was thinking 25 BB maybe.

To me a cbet is a must after 4betting. Should I have called OTT with almost half my stack on the pot? I almost called but the fact that he didn't outright shoved made his hand appear stronger to me and the fact that he flatted my 4bet sometimes means slowplayed premium, so I folded.

There are not many combos in his range that I beat (TT, JJ, maybe AJ) and the hands that have more equity than mine are KK, AA, AQ, KQ. Later I realized that I needed to win just over 27 % of the time to make a call OTT profitable.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (CO): $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.75 (95 bb)
SB: $5.27 (105.4 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

Hero raises to $0.14, BTN raises to $0.49, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $0.61

Flop: ($2.27) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.09, BTN calls $1.09

Turn: ($4.45) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.14, Hero folds

Results: $4.45 pot
Final Board: 9

Hero mucked K

and lost (-$2.19 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$2.19 net)

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11-23-2017 , 09:36 PM

dynamite2006

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 789

I 4bet bigger OOP. You're giving him a great price to call with a lot of his 3bet range. If we're going 2.2x, which is a sizing I actually use often, I prefer that to be when we are IP.

Post flop is probably fine. We could be drawing dead and I don't think we are ever ahead here. Best case scenario is a chop. I don't understand why you think you beat TT or JJ. You don't and that is a HUGE part of his range. Also, he probably never has AJ here.

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11-23-2017 , 10:08 PM

FoldOnce

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Check fold the flop IMO. He has so much AQ, 99, TT, JJ when he calls a 4-bet. If you c-bet, get called, and brick the turn, you are DEFINITELY done with the hand now. The fact that you're still thinking about winning the hand at that point is hilarious to me.

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11-23-2017 , 10:17 PM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by FoldOnce

The fact that you're still thinking about winning the hand at that point is hilarious to me.

It's a shame that not everyone's an expert like you are. Perhaps you should start coaching and/or post more very in depth strat as you just did...

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11-23-2017 , 10:46 PM

FoldOnce

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Originally Posted by .isolated

It's a shame that not everyone's an expert like you are. Perhaps you should start coaching and/or post more very in depth strat as you just did...

What are you some kind of gatekeeper? I mean you obviously spend all day, every day here..

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11-23-2017 , 11:57 PM

Tiltsicko

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Originally Posted by dynamite2006

Agree, I don't beat JJ, TT, only if my pair draw catches up I do. Sorry, I just got confused. And I also think that AJ is pretty unlikely.

Is a 25 BB 4bet okay in this spot?

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11-24-2017 , 12:08 AM

Tiltsicko

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Originally Posted by FoldOnce

I now realize that every hand in his range is better than mine. I wasn't thinking about winning the hand but since there is already half of my stack in the pot and given that I needed just 27 % of pot equity to call I thought that it was worth asking your opinion.
According to Equilab I have 23 % equity against his range (TT+; AQo+) on the flop and 18 % on the turn, so on the turn is clearly a fold but the decision is not so far off.
Would you have given up OTF?

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11-24-2017 , 12:41 AM

JamesBJames

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c/f on the flop seems right. Maybe c/c against small sizings.

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11-24-2017 , 08:07 AM

IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

c/f on the flop seems right. Maybe c/c against small sizings.

+1, and I am gonna check KK/AA as well btw

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11-24-2017 , 11:50 AM

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dynamite2006

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Originally Posted by Tiltsicko

Is a 25 BB 4bet okay in this spot?

Yes, I think 2.5x is fine here.

I also wanted to touch on you mentioning AJ. He certainly could have AJ (especially AJs) heading into the flop but it isn't playing postflop the way he did. You should be constantly narrowing ranges (both yours and his) as new cards come out and actions are taken.

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11-24-2017 , 12:35 PM

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Bladesman87

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We 4-bet very little Qx and some of the most likely hands to 3-bet/call pre are KQ/AQ, maybe some 99-JJ. Seems like a bad flop to get aggro on.

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