You guys are getting so meta in stead of trying to figure out the right line with this hand.

I guess that's true since there's no way to play this hand bad. I'm more thinking that you can play this hand any way you want, but putting it into your calling range is way better than putting it into your raising range.

I don't see the advantage of raising and I don't understand why taking away one of your raising hands to raise this type of unpolarized hand makes any sense. Maybe my raising range is just too small or something, and that's why I feel this way. If there's a rational reason to do that, i'm listening, but nobody is going beyond flop equity.

Maybe when i call this "bad" i'm baiting a bit, and I apologize for that. I still haven't seen enough rationalization to convince me that you would want to turn a hand with this much equity into a bluff here though. There's so many worse hands in our range and so many hands that make worse turn and river x/r hands that I really don't like the bluff here, even though it's being called a "value raise" by some people here. It just seems like this hand needs another card or two before you can define what it is, and the fact that there's so few hands that fit that qualification make this hand one of the best hands to x/c with.

You're just never in a tough spot when you check/call this hand, and there's so few hands that fit that criteria that I think this hand needs to be in that range. When i said raising was "bad" I only mean compared to the alternative.

And you never will because of the way you're processing the information using concepts like "bluff" and "equity" where they don't apply. It's like trying to understand colors as a blind man.