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[NL25z] Spewing Hard w/K-High [NL25z] Spewing Hard w/K-High

10-18-2020 , 07:02 AM
PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - €0.10/€0.25 - 6 players

UTG: €27.82 (111 bb)
MP: €25.10 (100 bb)
CO: €26.10 (104 bb)
BU: €28.91 (116 bb)
SB (Hero): €28.11 (112 bb)
BB: €27.13 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.35) Hero is SB with K T
UTG raises to €0.54, 3 players fold, Hero 3-bets to €2.20, 1 fold, UTG calls €1.66

Flop: (€4.65) J 9 6 (2 players)
Hero bets €1.45, UTG calls €1.45

Turn: (€7.55) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets €5.50, Hero raises to €24.46 (all-in)
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Loose flop cbet? turn x/shove looked funny in game.
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10-18-2020 , 07:36 AM
Would you have many stronger draws here to c-bet? Id say this board calls for a larger c bet size also. OTT I would just barrel as you're not x/jamming sets are you?
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10-18-2020 , 09:22 AM
If you plan to spew here then cbet bigger to set up a turn overbet shove.

However, villain has just as many if not 3 more combos of sets here so you shouldn't be betting the large.

If you want to bet small across 3 streets you do unblock all of villains flush draws that will eventually fold the river and you also block KdJd which may call down.

Seems kinda spewy but I'm also a nit.

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10-18-2020 , 09:25 AM
Think it's loose, would you not prefer high frequency larger bet size with hands like this as part of your checks?
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10-18-2020 , 09:50 AM
I think it's pretty cool representing exactly Q10. We wouldn't play sets this way, but we could play Q10 this way and I think villain can fold all his OP, pair, and even 2 pair hands now. I think we give up on a lot of turns but taking advantage of this one is cool
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10-18-2020 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
I think it's pretty cool representing exactly Q10. We wouldn't play sets this way, but we could play Q10 this way and I think villain can fold all his OP, pair, and even 2 pair hands now. I think we give up on a lot of turns but taking advantage of this one is cool
I doubt we even have Q10 here very often as we would likely just fold it pre v UTG RFI most of the time. Its a weird line and tbh weird lines tend to make me call too much rather than fold.
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10-18-2020 , 11:00 AM
I 3bet QTs 100% pre, UTG is the one that shouldn't have any.
Mixing some checks OTT with sets most likely, especially after the small cbet strat.
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10-18-2020 , 11:14 AM
Not saying that's the right thing to do, just what I would have done in game.
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10-18-2020 , 11:22 AM
I don't think so
can bet turn not too big
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10-18-2020 , 08:09 PM
Pre looks kind of close probably fold
Flop cbet is too small imo. Its very easy for UTG to defend in this spot his whole range has some type of draw or made hand.
OTT We dont rep anything and at this point IP range is polarized so its not like you are putting him in tough spot that often.
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10-18-2020 , 09:42 PM
I assumed that villain might make the mistake of betting too much stuff for that sizing, I'm not sure his range his really that polarized.
We also don't mind when he folds the "bluffing" portion of his range, like AQ or whatever he's using.
The big question is what he does with hearts and Jx, at what frequency he bets those and how he reacts vs the shove.
I've gotta say that it my strat looks kind of borderline lol.
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10-18-2020 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
I 3bet QTs 100% pre, UTG is the one that shouldn't have any.
Mixing some checks OTT with sets most likely, especially after the small cbet strat.
Why not? QTs should open and is also gonna call a good percentage of the time vs sb 3b.

Ambitions play but it's probably the best bluff combo you could do this with I think. You prob need some reads on villain to do this though, prob not wise to try vs. an unknown but vs. a reg capable of folding over pair type hands here it should be good. And the only overpair we are looking at is mainly just QQ. He shouldn't really have any 2 pairs in his range at all here, so if he is a reg then I would suspect his lead is set heavy or AQh/ATh type hands. Of course QTs as well.

We shouldn't see that many Jx type hands imo. Would think he'd bet complete air at a higher freq than Jx.

Last edited by OWLS; 10-18-2020 at 10:05 PM.
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10-19-2020 , 12:06 AM
KT isnt a 3bet for me here, but its whatev.

Doesn't feel like a good flop for our range. He has all the sets and J9. We just have JJ and overpairs. I'd x/f flop, use a 66% size when I bet.
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10-19-2020 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
I assumed that villain might make the mistake of betting too much stuff for that sizing, I'm not sure his range his really that polarized.
We also don't mind when he folds the "bluffing" portion of his range, like AQ or whatever he's using.
The big question is what he does with hearts and Jx, at what frequency he bets those and how he reacts vs the shove.
I've gotta say that it my strat looks kind of borderline lol.
ye but you still can't jam as weak as this because he's just not folding enough, unless you think he folds AJ/KJ
x 100% if you think he bets too often is correct but then you got to fold the weak stuff as you'l have plenty better to continue...
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10-19-2020 , 04:26 AM
Don't like cbet-sizing.
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10-19-2020 , 07:00 AM
Ran a sim to put things in perspective.
Solver wants to cbet range basically, allowing for a 33%/75% sizes it chooses the smaller one 80/20. KT bets 90% of the time for a 33% size, almost never checking.
OTT once villain calls it's a 50/50 from checking or actually potting (!), no 25% or 50% stuff, so solver wants to polarize.
KT is a mix, if checked vs villain's bet it mostly folds, even though there are some some x/r vs smaller sizes.
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10-19-2020 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
Ran a sim to put things in perspective.
Solver wants to cbet range basically, allowing for a 33%/75% sizes it chooses the smaller one 80/20. KT bets 90% of the time for a 33% size, almost never checking.
OTT once villain calls it's a 50/50 from checking or actually potting (!), no 25% or 50% stuff, so solver wants to polarize.
KT is a mix, if checked vs villain's bet it mostly folds, even though there are some some x/r vs smaller sizes.
Im surprised it likes a small size for a c-bet, any idea why that is?
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10-19-2020 , 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iblis
Ran a sim to put things in perspective.
Solver wants to cbet range basically, allowing for a 33%/75% sizes it chooses the smaller one 80/20. KT bets 90% of the time for a 33% size, almost never checking.
OTT once villain calls it's a 50/50 from checking or actually potting (!), no 25% or 50% stuff, so solver wants to polarize.
KT is a mix, if checked vs villain's bet it mostly folds, even though there are some some x/r vs smaller sizes.
Give him some sizing closer to 50%, in 3bp solver generally does not use bigger sizings then than unless we have huge nut advantage.
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