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04-12-2011 , 07:46 AM

Blend

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 541

No info about the villain, but he's probably a regular. Should have probably bet more on the flop, but anyway - what's hero's line on turn? Both FD and OESD just completed.

PS! We are 165bb deep.

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

CO: $51.94
BTN: $6.19
SB: $55.63
Hero (BB): $41.39
UTG: $47.71
MP: $66.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J

2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.60) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.60) 7

(2 players)
Hero ?

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04-12-2011 , 07:58 AM

dwbrown7680

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c/c>>>>b/f>>>>c/f>>>>b/c I'd think in this situation with no real reads on villain.

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04-12-2011 , 08:32 AM

10isgood

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 183

c/c turn and b/f non

river

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04-12-2011 , 08:33 AM

Im3rd

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 577

bet flop bigger.
b/f turn.

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04-12-2011 , 08:38 AM

YouFaiil

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c/c turn, better hands raise you and worse will bet, depending on the river i would c/c all blanks depending on bet sizing.

I don't like b/f the river because your SPR will be awkward.

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04-12-2011 , 08:49 AM

sl8a

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People b/f and c/c this turn need to go back to fr.

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04-12-2011 , 08:51 AM

YouFaiil

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sl8a, you get it in here? what do you expect villain to have that you beat?

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04-12-2011 , 10:14 AM

Blend

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 541

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Originally Posted by sl8a

People b/f and c/c this turn need to go back to fr.

b/f is just ******ed, because hero has ~10 outs to hit basically the nuts, yet b/c with so deep stacks isn't a good idea as well, because avg reg doesn't go broke with worse (considering stacks), only maybe with like slowplayed KK-AA with club (or a set which is also tiny part of their range), but the thing is that they usually 4bet it.
So that pretty much only leaves us c/c imo. OOP facing such puke turn card didn't leave us too many good options.

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04-12-2011 , 10:29 AM

sl8a

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He's gunna check back all his non nut hands though and theres a lot of ****ty rivers. Letting 89/JT etc see a free river here is so bad. You can't go all passive in 3bet pots with top set when scare cards hit. What you gunna do, c/c the turn and c/f the river?

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04-12-2011 , 10:30 AM

#10

Cheerful Demon

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you guys do realise we have top set in a 3bet pot right? lol

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04-12-2011 , 10:39 AM

#11

Blend

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So both of us have invested 6 bucks in the pot and you REALLY think that this nitty reg is putting the rest of his stack (35$) in the middle with one pair hand? I wouldn't be surprised if he folded like QQ or AJ (without a club) to a turn barrel.
By c/calling we're also keeping pure air in his range as well, cuz he wouldn't check his air back. With 100bb stacks there obviously wouldn't be any questions in that spot.

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04-12-2011 , 10:44 AM

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sl8a

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You said no info on villain but now he's a nitty reg because we might get raised on the turn? Also nits don't have air ranges in 3bet pots deep. And if he's folding QQ then you need to start 3betting him and db every hand.

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04-12-2011 , 10:51 AM

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Blend

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I said he's probably a reg (as in the 1st post), because his nick was familliar. And regulars in FTP are about 80% of the times nitty. I also think that on such board the villain would pretty much be bluffcatching here with AJ type of hand (being so deep).
And if you read the topic's headline then you'd realise, that i can't 3bet him every hand since it's rush poker.

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04-12-2011 , 11:58 AM

#14

hijinx

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i'm happy to c/c or even c/r the turn. I'd be happy to b/c too but I just think betting will fold out his AK (maybe with Ac) that will probably bet the turn when checked to.

Basically i dont think you'll get his stack here unless he has an underset (or a flush and you suck out!) Therefore c/r will snap off some value at least and he may even stick it in with Ac as a huge dog.

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04-12-2011 , 01:43 PM

#15

Durendal

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Bet/call and bet non T/9/club river

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04-12-2011 , 02:46 PM

#16

sharkbaitOHH

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flat pre

bet flop bigger, bet turn

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04-13-2011 , 09:14 AM

#17

Ligic

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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

flat pre

bet flop bigger, bet turn

this > any other line

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04-13-2011 , 11:24 AM

#18

abgtr

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i had to read the OP 3 times after reading the first responses (c/c or b/f) because I thought I must have misread something. keep checking here and see how much you win.

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04-13-2011 , 01:58 PM

#19

Blend

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Ok, i guess it makes sense. Anyway - the reason why i preffered c/c, was because if we bet 3/4 psb OTR for instance and get shoved (2 draws came in) then hero can't really call with his 10 outs (perhaps the villain would shove sets here as well, but it's hard to hit a set).

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04-13-2011 , 02:41 PM

#20

Brian J

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Originally Posted by sharkbaitOHH

flat pre

bet flop bigger, bet turn

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Originally Posted by Ligic

this > any other line

pre is fine either way

there is a reason for checking turn but it has nothing to do with fear and it requires reads

Also, just telling someone to bet isn't really telling them anything unless you tell them to b/c or b/f

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04-13-2011 , 02:54 PM

#21

Blend

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Originally Posted by Blend

Ok, i guess it makes sense. Anyway - the reason why i preffered c/c, was because if we bet 3/4 psb OTT for instance and get shoved (2 draws came in) then hero can't really call with his 10 outs (perhaps the villain would shove sets here as well, but it's hard to hit a set).

Typo.

I think that her has already bet, then rly can't fold to a raise anymore..

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04-13-2011 , 05:20 PM

#22

7000

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wow @ responses, b/c

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04-13-2011 , 07:46 PM

#23

MillerWhite

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b/c ainec.

Even if he shoves turn we can still be ahead a lot. QcQx KcKx AcAx smaller sets etc, if we are behind we have outs. 9T or 56 not likely at all to be in his range even this deep.

If we check we miss value, let him get there for free and get put in a weird river spot.

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04-14-2011 , 06:38 AM

#24

Ligic

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Originally Posted by Brian J

pre is so rio
b/c turn obv

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