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08-16-2018 , 01:36 PM
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Thoughts?

No info on villain.

What is he doing here?

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37935971

    BTN: $26.35 (105.4 bb)
    SB: $10.67 (42.7 bb)
    BB: $27.87 (111.5 bb)
    UTG: $25.68 (102.7 bb)
    MP: $24.97 (99.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): $47.48 (189.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN raises to $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.75

    Flop: ($8.10) 4 3 T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($8.10) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $8, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $14.10 pot ($0.63 rake)
    Final Board: 4 3 T 7
    BTN mucked and won $13.47 ($6.97 net)
    Hero mucked 9 9 and lost (-$6.50 net)



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    08-16-2018 , 01:38 PM
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    call pre

    as played call turn and fold river unimproved
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    08-16-2018 , 02:06 PM
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    Quote:
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    as played call turn and fold river unimproved
    So, if we don't a 9 basically? What range are we putting villain on? It seems a really odd line for all overpairs, unless he has AdAx, KdKx perhaps? 56s could feasibly take this line?
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    08-16-2018 , 02:18 PM
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    dont bet the turn just x/c
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    08-16-2018 , 02:22 PM
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    Quote:
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    So, if we don't a 9 basically? What range are we putting villain on?
    Ya and I'm not speculating on villain's range, I do know that our range is too weak to bet/fold when vil is risking 8 to win 11
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    08-16-2018 , 03:11 PM
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    Quote:
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    call pre

    as played call turn and fold river unimproved
    Fold pre maybe?

    What is improvement in river? Only 9?
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    08-16-2018 , 04:12 PM
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    no
    yes
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    08-16-2018 , 05:01 PM
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    Quote:
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    Fold pre maybe?

    What is improvement in river? Only 9?
    If we take rake into account and the 3x open raise I can see folding is an option here pre unless villain is a fish and pays of set w toppair here often.
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    08-16-2018 , 05:50 PM
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    Don't bet the turn, x/c. As played, bet bigger if you must lead T.
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    08-17-2018 , 05:17 AM
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    Quote:
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    no
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    You love rake? On the vaccum you may be slight wiiner if you ever are playing this hand
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    08-17-2018 , 05:21 AM
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    No I don't and that's why I play without rake in game but anyway I think calling 99 is +ev despite the rake. Maybe someone can check with pokersnowie? I heard it has an idea on how to preflop. And if you think calling is -ev, you should consider raising.
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    08-17-2018 , 02:01 PM
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    Quote:
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    No I don't and that's why I play without rake in game but anyway I think calling 99 is +ev despite the rake. Maybe someone can check with pokersnowie? I heard it has an idea on how to preflop. And if you think calling is -ev, you should consider raising.
    Pokersnowie fold 99 vs 3x and call vs 2.5x open. 99 are bottom of the calling range

    vs. 3x
    call TT-JJ, AQs
    3bet QQ-AA, ATs-AJs, AKs, KQs-KJs, A3s-A5s, AQo+, 65s-54s

    call vs 2,5x
    99

    call vs 2x
    QJs
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    08-18-2018 , 03:29 AM
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    hmm ok with the rake it's safe to fold if you don't have an edge

    thanks for the info it's quite helpful though I have a hard time believing 54s > 99, JTs-87s. JTs has solid blockers against JJ-TT which are certainly continuing pre.
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    08-18-2018 , 01:45 PM
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    Quote:
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    hmm ok with the rake it's safe to fold if you don't have an edge

    thanks for the info it's quite helpful though I have a hard time believing 54s > 99, JTs-87s. JTs has solid blockers against JJ-TT which are certainly continuing pre.
    I saw something about 54s in the pokersnowie thread. Apparently, according to pokersnowie, V is less likely to be holding any cards in his range that block 54s than JTs. Not sure how I feel about it but its an interesting concept.
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    08-18-2018 , 01:49 PM
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    ah true, JT blocks his folding range

    interesting indeed
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    08-18-2018 , 04:38 PM
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    Quote:
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    I saw something about 54s in the pokersnowie thread. Apparently, according to pokersnowie, V is less likely to be holding any cards in his range that block 54s than JTs. Not sure how I feel about it but its an interesting concept.
    I think you might be referencing my epic post about why 65s is a better hand than 98s.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1600
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    08-18-2018 , 04:41 PM
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    08-18-2018 , 04:47 PM
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    interesting interesting
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    08-18-2018 , 07:41 PM
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    Folding 77-99 CO v mp and co v UTG facing a 3x open at 25NL? I've not done this so far 2nl-10nl, but, guess I have to consider it moving forward.
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    08-18-2018 , 08:18 PM
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    Quote:
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    Folding 77-99 CO v mp and co v UTG facing a 3x open at 25NL? I've not done this so far 2nl-10nl, but, guess I have to consider it moving forward.
    FWIW, 190bb deep I'm never folding 99 here.
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    08-19-2018 , 06:10 AM
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    Quote:
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    FWIW, 190bb deep I'm never folding 99 here.
    The smallest stack gives the effektive Stack size, not the deepest.
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    08-19-2018 , 07:26 AM
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    the day the 25nl regs fold 99 pre CO vs MP is the day poker is dead
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    08-19-2018 , 09:46 AM
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    Quote:
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    I think you might be referencing my epic post about why 65s is a better hand than 98s.

    https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1600
    Very nice post!
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    08-19-2018 , 11:49 AM
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    Quote:
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    The smallest stack gives the effektive Stack size, not the deepest.
    Really?
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    08-22-2018 , 02:22 AM
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    If 99 is a fold pre here, come find me at the badugi tables.
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