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Old 03-12-2018, 06:49 PM   #1
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NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Villain plays 17/13 AF:1.4 (about 200 hands)

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $9.26 (463 bb)
SB: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $13.17 (658.5 bb)
UTG: $1.78 (89 bb)
MP: $3.59 (179.5 bb)
CO: $6.94 (347 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 7
2 folds, CO raises to $0.05, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.11) T 3 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($0.23) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.11, Hero raises to $0.45, CO calls $0.34

River: ($1.13) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO raises to $6.38 Hero ???

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Old 03-12-2018, 06:51 PM   #2
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

As sick as it sounds, given stack depth and his stats, I think it might actually be a fold (AT THESE LIMITS)
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:09 PM   #3
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

thanks! i thought so but i couldn't do it unfortunately he had 33
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:30 PM   #4
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

I feel like the art of exploit folding has a way to go.

So when he takes this strange yet worrying line, he is representing 77, TT and 33. Now we can safely assume that he isn’t bluffing.

This basically means in these kind of spots (if he isn’t bluffing which is a safe assumption), we can bet fold 77 and bet call TT and 33.

Always be aware of what hands can beat you, how many combos there are and if they ever show up with bluffs.

Don’t always be afraid of monsters under the bed though, only in situations where it really looks and feels like they just don’t have any bluffs.
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:43 PM   #5
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

^^^^ I am not a ninja like this guy and wouldn't be able to fold.

Raise the flop. Fast play here imo.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:51 AM   #6
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

300+BB effective, does this guy ever not have it?





I would need to be AFK and time out to fold otr. Or change my name to Phil Laak.

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Old 03-13-2018, 09:59 AM   #7
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

He *can't* have a worse boat, is he bad enough to jam a flush/good or mad enough to bluff AcT? He is repping 4 value combos so he needs 3 or 4 combos of worse for a profitable call. So I think this could be a call but when you think practically people just don't do this without the nuts, flushes just call on paired boards and that stack depth
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:33 AM   #8
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

What is your vbetting range on the river?
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:38 AM   #9
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What is your vbetting range on the river?
What does PIO think it should be?

OP, if you're not going broke here, why are you calling pre in the first place? Fold pre or call river.
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:46 PM   #10
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Yeah op don't call pre if you're gonna fold to the 3xpotoverRaiseJam which we all know happens very frequently
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:58 PM   #11
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

But does PIO say fold?
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:45 PM   #12
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

yes
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:13 PM   #13
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Of course it would because you're doing what you say you never want to do when others ask you for reasoning to your "advice"...making assumptions

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Yeah op don't call pre if you're gonna fold to the 3xpotoverRaiseJam which we all know happens very frequently
Also, you're not very good at reading sarcasm. Not surprised that things go way way above your head.
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:36 PM   #14
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

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Of course it would because you're doing what you say you never want to do when others ask you for reasoning to your "advice"...making assumptions
Can someone translate this?
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:46 PM   #15
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

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Can someone translate this?
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Of course it would because you're doing what you say you never want to do when others ask you for reasoning to your "advice"...making assumptions

Also, you're not very good at reading sarcasm. Not surprised that things go way way above your head.
check flop (not 100% sure though, I'd expect to see a spoiler tag somewhere).
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:49 PM   #16
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Too late to edit
It was forgotten and now I'm ashamed. Damn you, JBJ!

Spoiler:
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Old 03-13-2018, 02:59 PM   #17
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

ok I think I get it

Please explain how is asking for OP's range making assumptions
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:27 PM   #18
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Plenty of fish with entitlement tilt will jam river with flushes and sometimes 3x.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:40 PM   #19
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Perhaps we could call it entiltlement.
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Old 03-13-2018, 06:03 PM   #20
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

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I feel like the art of exploit folding has a way to go
It's not an exploit fold actually.
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:32 PM   #21
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Even the solver folds there, you learn something new every day!

Why is it that everything I think is an exploit is something that the solver ends up doing anyways

What does it bluff jam as villain out of interest?
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:13 AM   #22
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

Raise flop. Never folding, especially as played.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:13 AM   #23
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

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As sick as it sounds, given stack depth and his stats, I think it might actually be a fold (AT THESE LIMITS)
Never!
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:14 AM   #24
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

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^^^^ I am not a ninja like this guy and wouldn't be able to fold.

Raise the flop. Fast play here imo.
Yeah this.
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Old 03-14-2018, 01:20 AM   #25
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Re: NL2 zoom 6max 3.5BI full house get shoved on river, do i fold?

The solver doesn't take into account that this is a fish. It assumes that it is playing against another GTO bot, so it doesn't try to exploit and get max EV from a fish.

Vs a very solid reg following it's advice is good. Not so much vs a fish.
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