Idk, i'm at work probably like 10% 4bet. Pretty sure it doesn't say 4 bet as an default.

It's not. We block AA and QQ meaning there are far more hands in V's 3b/fold range than 3b/call or 5b range. We also get to dodge rake when we 4b and V folds which is a huge bonus over calling OOP.

I don't own pio, can you run it later? I think OOP is gonna skew it to a 4b

Run the sim in pio then, i dont think i can ever concinve you guys here. Just a waste of time. Gl all

I don't own pio so I can't! When you get home, run it and share the results. We will finally get to the bottom of this lol.

PIO doesn't play 10nl.

He doesn't own pio either

Pio is unbeatable, you know that right?

Lol at the average 10nl reg having PIO Edge.


For sure (almost) every hand that PIO tells you to 4bet / fold will not take that line as a “default” with that hand. And if you can’t understand why, you should ask for your $1100 back.

Can you explain this to me as though I'm a NL10 year old?

Ok. Gl grinding kid

Quite interesting to me , and I'm not aware how good it is but I put the scenario in to pokersnowie preflop advisor and it says AQo should be 4bet 27% and folded the remaining 73%

Fold to a 3b that often? Jeez! That's odd.

snowie isn't the brightest kid on the block

I think PIO solver would give similar 4bet/fold results for a hand like AQo. This is because, as others have mentioned, you under realize your equity with a hand like AQo as a call. It won't be easy calling multiple streets on a lot of board textures to realize your equity, and sometimes, your outs are tainted. For example, you think you have 2 overcards, but AK counterfeits your AQo when an ace hits on the turn. On K high boards you have just 1 over card to improve, and you don't have the 10.9% chance of flopping the nut flush draw compared to when you have AQs. And if you 4bet all your AQo, you have too many of those combos in your 4bet range. If you normally 4bet AK+, QQ+ that is 36 combos, adding 12 combos of AQo means 26.1% of your 4betting range is of the off-suit variety that are often behind a 4-bet calling range.

Anticlimactically, I think the answer to "should I 4bet AQo?" is sometimes. As for the flop play, I would bet smaller for 2 reasons:
1) The board is dry, so there aren't many high equity draws we are trying to force to pay us. And most hands that called this flop, will also call the turn. Leading to the second point.

2) Your sizing on the flop didn't even leave you a pot size bet on the turn. So if your plan was to barrel, you would want to bet smaller (~1/3) on the flop, so you can pot sized bet/over bet on the turn.

I would like to add that at lower stakes with zero information on villain, your barrels should be value heavy, and not worry too much about being GTO balanced. This is because population tendencies at lower stakes is to call down with hands a bluff should be folding.

Sorry for the long post.

You waited 5.5 years to make that long post, no need to apologize.

Haha that's pretty funny.

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I'm pretty sure we have to defend AQo by calling at least sometimes to meet MDF. Like you said we can't 4bet everytime, that much is pretty obvious.

4-betting a hand at a low freq allows you to use a wider variety of hands for board coverage/deception without using too many individual combos.

With a 3bb open facing a 10bb 3bet, you only have to defend 31%. Even if you open as wide as 30% of all hands from MP, that is ~400 combos. Defending 31% means you only need to continue ~125 combos between calling/4betting, that is about ~9% of all hands. So it is a fairly tight range. You can meet this MDF requirement by folding AQo 100% of the time, and calling with more suited hands that play well against a 3bet. Adding AQo to our defending range means we are probably giving up hands that play better in 3bet pots. If you want to include AQo in our defense, it kind of has to be as a 4bet. If OP opens less than 30% of all hands from MP, he can easily defend against the three bet never playing AQo.

With that said, if we are getting 3bet light, 4betting is one of the best defenses, and I would believe AQo is an excellent candidate for that.

Really mdf is about 45 after factoring postflop, but also mp doeant raise more than 20% ever so 8-9% is still what you have to defend against hyper aggressive 3bettors which the pool definitely is very far from

you also have to factor they player behind doing part of the defending

I'm curious to what post flop factors you used to derive 45%.

The 3bettor will just win the pot sometimes postflop so you cant just defend 33% or they basically see the flop for free. 45% is just common practise as a general guideline