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01-22-2019 , 07:06 AM

Iblis

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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - €0.05/€0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: €12.14 (121 bb)
MP: €3.65 (37 bb)
CO: €10.15 (102 bb)
BU: €6.31 (63 bb)
SB (Hero): €17.89 (179 bb)
BB: €11.05 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.15) Hero is SB with A♦ Q♥
UTG raises to €0.30, 3 players fold, Hero 3-bets to €1.20, 1 fold, UTG calls €0.90

Flop: (€2.50) 2♠ 5♠ J♦ (2 players)
Hero bets €1.10, UTG calls €1.10

Turn: (€4.70) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets €2.20, Hero calls €2.20

River: (€9.10) 4♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets €2, Hero calls €2

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Do you think it make sense to cbet UTG vs SB on that board? what about x/c turn/river?

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01-22-2019 , 08:08 AM

ArtyMcFly

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I haven't a clue what the solvers say, but I'd often play it the same way as you. Pretty glad villain went very small on the river, as a bigger bet makes me cry.

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01-22-2019 , 08:16 AM

BornToRun

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What was your thought process for x'ing turn?

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01-22-2019 , 09:17 AM

Iblis

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Originally Posted by BornToRun

What was your thought process for x'ing turn?

Not many worse hands he would continue with, basically 0 better hands he would fold. I also thought AQo would be a decent hand to protect my checking range for all the times I have to give up on the turn.

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01-22-2019 , 09:36 AM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Iblis

Not many worse hands he would continue with, basically 0 better hands he would fold. I also thought AQo would be a decent hand to protect my checking range for all the times I have to give up on the turn.

What hands are giving up the turn? Also what’s your general 3bet range from SB to an UTG open?

Your line is reasonable for sure, just wondering where AQ no spade fits in there.

Also I do think we get value from QQ-KK/Jx and spade draws OTT, I think your sizing should reflect the range you are targeting so I’d bet on the smaller side if I bet.

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 01-22-2019 at 09:46 AM.

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01-22-2019 , 09:43 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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checking turn is good since we allow him to bluff his 22-TT region

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01-22-2019 , 09:48 AM

Unsporting

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Is cbetting optimal here? Asking for op and myself

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01-22-2019 , 09:53 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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Originally Posted by Unsporting

Is cbetting optimal here? Asking for op and myself

J high board sb vs utg 3bp bi-tone flop.
Pretty sure solvers will cbet this at a relatively high frequency mixing in diff. sizings... This combo would be fine as a flop x though.

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01-22-2019 , 09:53 AM

drakelol

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I don't get the small flop cbet, villain is folding 0% of his hands imo

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01-22-2019 , 10:06 AM

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drakelol

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

J high board sb vs utg 3bp bi-tone flop.
Pretty sure solvers will cbet this at a relatively high frequency mixing in diff. sizings... This combo would be fine as a flop x though.

I won't argue with solver results but in my experience at this level ppl will call pre here with sth like 99+, AJs+,AQo+, KQs, and not fold a single hand to under half pot

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01-22-2019 , 10:12 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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hmmm, solvers defend 3bet a lot less than humans in these positions imo.

Sure ips range is continuing a lot otf but it struggles vs aggression quite a bit. We have 25% equity vs a lot of V's range, we need to realise that equity best way we can. Cbetting accomplishes that, xc/xf both weak nit *****. Our range is strong on that texture. Our cbetting strategy should reflect that.

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01-22-2019 , 10:18 AM

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Iblis

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

What hands are giving up the turn? Also what’s your general 3bet range from SB to an UTG open?

Your line is reasonable for sure, just wondering where AQ no spade fits in there.

TT+, AQo+, ATs+, A2s-A5s, QJs, KJs, KQs (in general).
I guess my bet flop, x/f turn range should be something like QJs/KJs no spades, KQs no spades, maybe QQ, KK and some of the worst aces. I'm not sure, it depends on how much I cbet flop, that's why I asked if it was ok to cbet AQo no spades.

Last edited by Iblis; 01-22-2019 at 10:29 AM.

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01-22-2019 , 10:19 AM

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ChipsNcrisps

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I dont think you should 3bet QJs/KJs

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01-22-2019 , 10:41 AM

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Iblis

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Originally Posted by drakelol

I don't get the small flop cbet, villain is folding 0% of his hands imo

I use the same size for all my betting range in this spot.
If AQo should be in my betting range, that's another question.

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

I dont think you should 3bet QJs/KJs

Flatting them from the SB tilts me and so does folding. Not 3betting them 100% of the time though obviouly.
Maybe snowie suggested that in the preflop advisor when I was working on preflop ranges? I should check, not sure.

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01-22-2019 , 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Iblis

So we are going to need some bluffs here, I think most KQs should be tripling here since we have amazing blockers and we should balance our JJ/AA/AK value range.

I think you actually played this hand very well, this is the perfect combo to x/c turn. We are going to need some Aces in our bet flop/x range and besides a hand like A4s we aren’t going to have many natural checks.

As far as a 3betting range id 3bet QJs/KJs before A2s/A3s and it’s not that close.

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01-22-2019 , 11:25 AM

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Bob Sacomano

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I never feel great about cbetting here but I take the same line as you.

Turn check is really nice and I'd imagine most are not nearly as balanced in this spot as they'd like to think. NH.

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01-22-2019 , 11:45 AM

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Iblis

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Everything is good, everything is nice but he milked me with AsKx anyway, so yeah let's try not to be result oriented but paying the nits everytime is tilting.

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01-22-2019 , 11:48 AM

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Onasis

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u play with AQo oop vs utg calling range. not optimal.
also this line betting small with blockers and c/c turn and river to bluffcatch in a 3bet pot with turned A doesn`t seem to be solid.

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