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03-12-2018 , 05:14 PM

magicalflamingo

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 35

$0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $10.00 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $13.94 (139.4 bb)
BB: $12.05 (120.5 bb)
UTG: $3.55 (35.5 bb)
MP: $10.00 (100 bb)
CO: $27.40 (274 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) J

Hero bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70, 2 players) Q

Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($4.70, 2 players) 6

Hero checks, CO bets $2.33, Hero folds

I have some problems defining some ranges for villain.

Before his river bet, I assumed something like:
77+,A8s+,A5s-A2s,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo+
which would give me decent EQ (31.8%).

But after the river bet I would narrow down the range to:
JJ+,77,A8s+,A5s-A2s,KJs+,QJs,AQo+

Off course with the latter I can never call (6.25% EQ).

Looks sensible? Should I add more bluffs?

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03-12-2018 , 07:11 PM

BPMaR

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 486

This is what I came up with for villain on river

value AQ,AJs,ATs,QJs,77
bluffs Tc9c,Tc8c,9c8c,8c6c,

hands that wouldve bet turn so not included
KTs,QQ,JJ,

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03-12-2018 , 08:45 PM

DSA Stephen

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Not sure about his range but larger pre and smaller on the flop

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03-12-2018 , 11:57 PM

CrazyAndy27s

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

Not sure about his range but larger pre and smaller on the flop

Agreed!

I’m thinking you could actually overbet jam river against his capped range as you block the nuts. If you really feel the need to balance it, do it when you have QQ, AA and KTs too

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03-13-2018 , 05:16 AM

magicalflamingo

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Thanks for the input guys!

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Originally Posted by BPMaR

This is what I came up with for villain on river

value AQ,AJs,ATs,QJs,77
bluffs Tc9c,Tc8c,9c8c,8c6c,

hands that wouldve bet turn so not included
KTs,QQ,JJ,

You are right, some of my range would have bet turn which have to be removed.

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

Not sure about his range but larger pre and smaller on the flop

What is wrong with 3x bet size + 1 BB OOP preflop?

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Originally Posted by CrazyAndy27s

I’m thinking you could actually overbet jam river against his capped range as you block the nuts. If you really feel the need to balance it, do it when you have QQ, AA and KTs too

Interesting idea! Might have worked

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03-13-2018 , 07:05 AM

DSA Stephen

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I like to 4x oop, gives us more FE and a better spr post flop when they call, being deep means we want to make it larger as well. depending if I got reads on V and I think he is weak I would go even larger due to being deeper than 100bb eff

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03-13-2018 , 07:08 AM

magicalflamingo

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

That makes sense, thanks for clarification!

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03-13-2018 , 09:21 AM

nolispeifaflaatoi

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Originally Posted by BPMaR

This is what I came up with for villain on river

value AQ,AJs,ATs,QJs,77
bluffs Tc9c,Tc8c,9c8c,8c6c,

hands that wouldve bet turn so not included
KTs,QQ,JJ,

This is interesting. Wouldn't villain be betting AQ/AJs/77 a lot of the time when checked to on the turn? You'd think they'd want to get value sooner rather than later since a club or a fourth broadway card on the river is likely to kill the action.

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03-13-2018 , 11:08 AM

JamesBJames

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Why are we betting flop? Snap check for me.

Some people will do 1/3 range bet with their whole range but I really don't like it on this texture.

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03-13-2018 , 04:46 PM

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Ojune

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definitely don't bet so big if you elect to bet

I also think it's a check

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03-16-2018 , 06:47 AM

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IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

Why are we betting flop? Snap check for me.

Some people will do 1/3 range bet with their whole range but I really don't like it on this texture.

+1. Sizing pre is absolutely fine btw.

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03-16-2018 , 10:59 PM

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Feng Shui

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Id check/call flop . If you make it 2.5x ip and 3.5x oop or there abouts the sizing is fine pre. If your making it 3x ip then this sizing is small oop. Ive never quite understood the idea of offering better odds oop than we do ip.

Last edited by Feng Shui; 03-16-2018 at 11:06 PM.

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03-17-2018 , 02:25 AM

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gr26

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Originally Posted by DSA Stephen

I like to 4x oop, gives us more FE and a better spr post flop when they call

why do we need folding equity with a monster?

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03-17-2018 , 08:51 AM

#14

Flpmethntsdlr

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I x flop nearly every single time.

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03-17-2018 , 11:22 AM

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Scott7x

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Originally Posted by gr26

why do we need folding equity with a monster?

He’s talking about sizing with your whole range , not just this specific hand.

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03-17-2018 , 12:18 PM

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DSA Stephen

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

He’s talking about sizing with your whole range , not just this specific hand.

This, also we want to play as few pot oop as possible by making it a smaller spr we lower the power of postion which is good for us

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03-18-2018 , 02:04 AM

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gr26

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Originally Posted by Scott7x

He’s talking about sizing with your whole range , not just this specific hand.

whole range at NL10? Ok
It seems i start understanding. We want folding equtiy with 76 and want value with KK. Easy game.
but what to do with situations when he calls our 76s (do we have better spr?) and fold when we have KK.
could anybody tell me your whole checking range on this flop? If we start balancing, we should go on

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03-18-2018 , 05:05 AM

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Feldheimer1

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I think he'd probably take sdv with weaker Aces after you x turn and river. I think you're against a better Ax here. I agree with the rest of your assigned range though.

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03-18-2018 , 09:06 AM

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DSA Stephen

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Originally Posted by gr26

Its true that the spr will be worse for our low suited connectors but our range will be uncapped vs a capped range which means we can bluff more profitable

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03-18-2018 , 09:18 PM

#20

6V6GT

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Could be a villain bluff on the river given you cbet/check/check, especially if he perceives you as tight? Villain profits with ATC if you fold > 33%

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03-19-2018 , 01:36 AM

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nonsimplesimon

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I think I xc xc xf I only want to put in two streets. More than that I am folding.

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03-19-2018 , 02:22 AM

#22

AltoZZ

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x flop.

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