BB is an unknown regular

SB: €95.50
BB: €104.43
Hero (BTN): €140.98

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 78
hero raises to €2, fold, BB calls €1

Flop: (€4.50) 855 (2 players)
BB checks, hero bets €2, BB raises to €6.25

I flat call lolz... or do i?

Villain is frequently FOS, but our hand is vulnerable to a lot/most of his bluffs. But a re-raise risks isolating our hand vs everything better in his range, even hands A8, 99, TT could be legitimate stacking hands i think.

So, is re-raise-fold actually a possibility here or should we just see a turn?

do we have an x range or 100% cb strat? if the latter, sizing seems big
If we rr, it is meant with a polarized range(supposedly). Are we bluffing? AP I'd call if you have a aggro population read.

Pretty straightforward call. I guess we can rr occasionally. Anything but folding basically.

As a default I prefer to mostly if not always bet, but following this hand I would want to have a checking range because a lot of my btn range can't stand a raise and I think we will get owned if we bet everything.
In terms of size it's an effort to bet 1.50 but that would be better for sure

No hh in front of me but board runs out -

Hero calls flop

Turn (e17) Q
BB bets e13, hero calls

River (e43) 9
BB bets e32, hero calls

Diamonds bust, have a 67 blocker, villain quite polarised ..?

Well you're supposed to be calling with some Ahigh here, that is if you cbet a lot.

For sure we should defend wide vs a flop raise. But if we bet our entire btn range and villain is raising me with JTo (as he did here, grrrr) we will get run over?

Why would we get run over? You can fold river by the way.

no point calling river imo, bad card and a lot of v will stop betting unimproved

I've not played NL100 but I assume that you must call the flop raise with at least a pair as the regs at that level with have a wide bluffing range. If you fold too often in these spots you will get ran over for sure. If not what are you calling with?? Overpairs and trips? In a HU pot that is too tight. Unfortunate that he got there but I would call two streets at least and river is a maybe based on the card and the villain

@ojune
Cos villain can raise us with any 2 and expect to profit overall - we are betting with like 45% of the deck so there are a lot of hands we can't continue with on the flop facing a raise.
Obv it's difficult to say what his strategy is - TJo could be used for a specific reason, ie backdoor equity, not strong enough to call, can outdraw with a pair some of my continuing range. But it strikes me villain is just thinking lols paired board where hero is not often strong

Yeah it's a flop call for sure, I am considering a raise though on the basis of protection /equity denial vs a range that is possibly heavily skewed towards bluffs

Possibly, I think

Approx value range -

45,55,56,57,K5,A5,58s,59s,5Ts,J5s,Q5s,67,KQdd,QJdd ,QTdd,Q9dd,88,TJ - 75 value combos

Bluffs - needs about 40 bluffs for a decent call I think

Diamonds - AT,A9,A7,A6,A4,A3,A2,KJ,KT,K7,K6,K4,K3,K2,J7,J6,J5 ,J4,J3,J2,T7,T6 (22)
Then possibly 16 combos of 46. Assuming AJ 3 bets but could call and if he is raising TJ here then could be other bluffs. Obv will 3bet more of the flush draws.

Happy with a fold on the river as best line but think we can justify a call also.

Oh, indeed betting with any2 isn't the best strategy but still you're going to have to defend with a lot of crappy hands, be it against a flop raise or a turn lead, regardless of how often you bet the flop.

Decided to come back as I've beating NL100 for a decent winrate for round 5-6 months now on Stars so feel qualified to give advice. Hi guys


OP the best play here is just a bet/fold. As is always the case on this forum there's a lot of overthinking and and misapplication of concepts. 3 betting flop here is biblically, horrifically, astronomically bad.

You have a bad top pair, no kicker on a wet board, and a 1 card gutter with reverse implieds. What turns/rivers are you happy calling down? Specifically 2 and 3 that aren't diamonds?

Villain can have plenty of 7s, all FDs and SDs, all overcards combos with BD draws, and also a badly played better 8 or over pair (99 that didn't 3 bet pre etc). Yes you may occasionally have the best hand but you're just not getting to a showdown and winning here, you really can't call many turns AND rivers. If you get checked to on turn/river he has you beat and wants a showdown, if he's bluff raising flop he's firing most turns and rivers.

The turn/river calls....IDK what to tell you man. You're just burning money. I understand the flop call and generally won't fold TP to a raise but in this case it's going to save you money - calling flop is gonna be -EV here.

Bet/folding flop is absurd, especially considering positions and pf raise size.

As for 3betting the flop, if you ever 3bet as a bluff, this seems like a decent candidate. If you only 3bet with strong hands and draws, you range will be too strong.

Out of interest do you play/beat these stakes? Honestly?

If you can't see that turning a hand with marginal showdown value and 2 outs into a bluff on a board this wet is a bad idea then you honestly need to do some serious reading and/or solver work. As to flatting you are never, ever getting to a showdown here and winning. It's just spew to call a x/r here with TP 7 kicker.

I said I would 3bet this kind of hand occasionally, not on a regular basis. A lot of villains will play very conservatively with draws against a 3bet (the reason for that is people like you having too strong of a range), then you can simply check back the turn and call a brick river.
I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. It implies that villain never stops barreling and that we never improve. Weak tight thinking.

And yes, I've been beating nl100 for years. In fact I used to play poker for a living.

lol...dude, we improve on 2 cards. We literally need an 8 to drop. We worsen on any 4,6, 7 is debatable, 9, 10, J, Q, J, K, A or ANY diamond. Are you really advocating calling flop in the hope that none of those drop AND villain doesn't barrel again on either street after x/r flop AND doesn't already beat 8s with a 7 kicker, honestly that's your strategy? Please come sit at my table man you're welcome whenever

And if you used to play for a living and don't now, I can see why. The game has moved on. Although I don't really believe you in honesty, I just don't think you have a real grasp on some fairly basic concepts.

Could consider checking back the flop, but there are a lot of nasty cards that can come and make your life difficult, + some worse still calls, so bet/fold probably best?
Maybe better to check back something like A8 or K8, then call call if the bets come, bet yourself if they don't?

Ojune, surely your range isn't too strong if it contains semi-bluffs like 67, especially on a paired board...? 3betting with a mix of those + A5 and overpairs seems like a balanced strategy?

Well I could say the same thing. The fact that you think bet/fold is okay here is pretty telling. You should try to plug that hand in a solver and see at which frequency the btn is supposed to call 78 (spoiler alert : it's going to be ~100%)

It's better to put money with good hands (A8, K8) than with bad hands (78), this should be self explanatory.

As for using hands like 67 to 3bet bluff with, it's a terrible idea unless you have the flush draw as well, you're just asking to get 4bet off of your equity or forced to make a ~0 ev call. And we don't want to stack off with overpairs here, calling is much better.

Flop calls looks ok,dont think 3b is great option guess fodling is ok even if V plays GTO this hand should be around 0EV so it dosnt matter that much what we do.

Turn is pretty standard fold imo.

Btw I would go much smaller otf.That way its hard for V to defend on this boar enough and he win less money when we b/f.

But villain can profitably call with a wider range of hands then?

Does it matter?