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Originally Posted by ALongmuir
Lmao, no need to be so aggressive. To make it extremely clear, you'd be easily exploitable if you folded this flop. Turn should be checked a little bit less than 50% by BB, given they are raising a decent range including lots of backdoors. Once again it seems like you're being to assumptive of villain, assuming he double barrels a very high percentage when you have little to base this off from OPs post.
Calling the turn depends on the turn card and our flop cbet strategy. I'm not the one being myopic here, rather than going on about 'plans' for the hand, think about what you're assuming about villains range to think that they're barreling turns a very high %.
Not being aggressive at all, just stating my case - seems pretty obvious to me. You know it's OK to be exploitable sometimes? We're making an exploitative fold based on the fact villain bluffs a lot and is almost literally never checking 2 more streets to us. Like I said, how often does a villain, who OP has identified bluffs a lot, x/r this type of flop and then x 2 streets and let us win with a hand that will probably end up being 3rd pair w/ 7 kicker?
And you are being myopic, that's literally what not planning ahead refers to in this context. We beat none of villain's x/r value range. If villain has absolute air - 32o for instance, he can barrel a 4,6,7,9,T,J,Q,K,A or any diamond, and we can't call. The offuit 9 that fell is one of the better cards for us and we STILL end up folding.
More broadly, postflop planning is a big part of being a winning player at any decent limit and was something that I wa coached about extensively. You, and lot of the guys ITT seem to have the mindset of 'call bcoz i haz top pair and evaluate' - which honestly is burning money. You need to get to a level where you can see a flop and have a decent idea idea of your line for the rest of the hand. The highest EV line is b/f flop (small), b/f turn (small), x back river. Bet calling flop to 'see what happens' is spew, sorry if you and the rest of the guys ITT don't see it, but it is.
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Originally Posted by CC96
Personally I bluff these paired boards a lot by check raising with air against weak tight opponents. You are highly exploitable especially at 100NL if you are folding these hands. Bet fold with top pair on this board is terrible.
It's spew/amateurish play to x/r this board w/air. Hero in this hand can obviously have all NFDs, all trips, all overpairs etc. It's a blind bluff based on the fact that your opponent 'probably' doesn't have trips. It just so happens that in this hand hero doesn't have those hands and should fold. If you disagree, tell me your plan for the hand when you get X/R on some different board textures. No one has done that yet. Everyone has said call flop and then fold a relatively safe turn or the also relatively blank river.
Last edited by BackdoorQuadsDraw; 01-20-2018 at 06:11 AM.