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04-07-2018 , 03:02 PM
vs unknown, prob a rec

    Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $13.45 (134.5 bb)
    BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
    UTG: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $17.08 (170.8 bb)
    CO: $10 (100 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $18.80 (188 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.50

    Flop: ($5.15) 4 6 5 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($5.15) J (2 players)
    MP bets $3.67, Hero calls $3.67

    River: ($12.49) 3 (2 players)
    MP bets $10.91 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $12.49 pot ($0.62 rake)
    Final Board: 4 6 5 J 3
    MP mucked and won $11.87 ($5.70 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$6.17 net)
    NL10 QQ 4bet pot IP Quote
    04-07-2018 , 09:17 PM
    As played call river.

    go all-in pre or fold. if you were planning to just call vs a bet and fold vs all-in's we are doing super bad. We are basicly set mining with QQ and i prefer that we (in that case) just call vs open.

    When villian checks on this super board for pairs just bet like 20~30% and fold vs jams. We wanne get value from worse here and we can't do that with big bets vs polarized ranges like these. Same for turn, when villian calls 20~30% bet he could have AK/JJ/TT?

    River we check obv. we are losing vs JJ and AK/TT can't call 3 streets.

    Bluffs here: AK (16c)
    Hands we lose vs: AA/KK/JJ (18c)

    But yeah villian should be betting AA/KK (atleast KK for sure on flop)

    So if you look at it that way it could basicly only be:
    Bluffs: AK (16c)
    Lose vs: AA/JJ (12c) and if you would say villian always bets his AA here then it would only be JJ (6c pre) which is most likely with all fishy players.

    Last edited by amtonic; 04-07-2018 at 09:24 PM.
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    04-08-2018 , 06:19 AM
    Echo amtonic's sentiments preflop: QQ is a premium hand and you need value from it. You don't want to have to play a board when an A/K comes in a 3-bet pot when ranges are usually more comprised of these cards. Get it in whilst you are likely ahead and know that you made a good play.

    You also want to get calls from weaker hands that may find it hard to play post to flops with overcards (i.e. target the JJ,TT portion of his range.) You will also avoid these horrible spots that you ran into where you have a overpair and are facing a bet from a player who has been aggressive. I think this is a call though because of the check on the flop. Facing a triple barrel I would more likely swing towards folding but I'd argue that a call is warranted as played.

    Last edited by Feldheimer1; 04-08-2018 at 06:26 AM. Reason: Does it matter?
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    04-08-2018 , 04:16 PM
    Seems okay, although I think I would lean toward betting flop with QQ and checking with AA/KK.

    I'd shove PF at 100BB deep, but I'm not super interested in shoving at ~170BB effective.

    River seems like a pretty straightforward fold assuming we don't 5-bet AA/KK PF, but if we do the spot is a lot harder. If we 5-bet PF with AA/KK, and if we bet flop with JJ (so AA, KK, JJ are not in our range OTT/OTR), and we always check flop with QQ, then our range OTR is something like AKdd, AQdd, QQ... and that might be it? The QQ no diamond combos make better calls, but if we call all of those we're still folding more than MDF suggests. It's 10NL and overfolding is likely fine I guess.

    I feel like this spot can get somewhat nuanced based on how you play the rest of your range, but the answer is probably fold.
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    04-09-2018 , 12:38 AM
    Prob not a rec, his sizing is decent.

    Flat pre is fine this deep in position. River flip a coin, I'd lead towards calling as I expect AA/KK to cbet flop at a high frequency and V seems unconcerned with 4 straight on river.
    NL10 QQ 4bet pot IP Quote
    04-09-2018 , 08:26 AM
    I had 81 hands from villain. and the only hand i had tacked post flop he has check/raise flop 100%
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    04-09-2018 , 02:22 PM
    Yeah we shouldn't jam pre that deep. Also as the others say above he has to bet KK AA on this flop , but what if he tried to check/raise them? He bets until river so I put him on AA KK AKdd. Would he 4bet JJ pre? I guess not.


    Plugged them on equilab, without JJ:
    Board: 654*J*3
    *******Equity*****Win*****Tie
    MP2****25.00%**25.00%***0.00%*{ QdQc }
    MP3****75.00%**75.00%***0.00%*{ KK+, AKs }


    With JJ:
    Board: 654*J*3
    *******Equity*****Win*****Tie
    MP2****21.05%**21.05%***0.00%*{ QdQc }
    MP3****78.95%**78.95%***0.00%*{ KK+, JJ, AKs }


    I could be wrong but that's what I think about it. Correct me If you disagree or I'm calculating something wrong here
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