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07-20-2019 , 06:45 PM

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Fleetttt

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solver actually check raises/calls this combo lol

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07-20-2019 , 06:48 PM

#27

Fleetttt

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even when I significantly tighten villain range in BB to QQ-99,AQs-AJs,KQs,AQo it still goes for the xr 100% ott :P

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07-20-2019 , 06:51 PM

#28

amazin lazer

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nice, you have monkersolver to solve multiway spots?

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Originally Posted by Fleetttt

Assuming we are playing 3b/fold in SB pre we still have T9s/T7s/79s

lol why stop there, what about our J8

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07-20-2019 , 07:18 PM

#29

Zuko

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personally i think if we have T9, T7, 97 we are doing quite well on T97 and dont really need J8 for board coverage…. on 88x we already have A8/K8/83

well 83 is acutally just a very famous local hand but still, it is always good for a surprise and some insults

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07-20-2019 , 07:19 PM

#30

amazin lazer

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hahahahaha

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07-20-2019 , 07:23 PM

#31

Zuko

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seriously now… i didnt know monker solves multiway spots. is that a thing?

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07-20-2019 , 07:26 PM

#32

amazin lazer

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it does, it also does PLO and PLO8

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07-20-2019 , 07:44 PM

#33

Fleetttt

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I didn't solve for MW just HU in GTO+ vs BB since person before said they range check HU

If BB doesn't flat QQ now solver check/calls 100% lol

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07-20-2019 , 07:49 PM

#34

amazin lazer

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interestingggggg

now add 83 of diamonds

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07-21-2019 , 12:59 AM

#35

WorldzMine

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Originally Posted by Fleetttt

do we have a range disadvantage though? Assuming we are playing 3b/fold in SB pre we still have T9s/T7s/79s, TT/99/77. At least I would. I might actually have more fd's than villain too, nut ones as well

gonna run it in solver see what it says

It's probably evenish. For some reason when I answered that I was thinking this was a different hand with an EP raise. It's still probably a check with this hand though.

That said T7s 97s is too light except for a very low freq.

Last edited by WorldzMine; 07-21-2019 at 01:11 AM.

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07-21-2019 , 03:15 AM

#36

291

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Originally Posted by Fleetttt

I didn't solve for MW just HU in GTO+ vs BB since person before said they range check HU

If BB doesn't flat QQ now solver check/calls 100% lol

kinda irrelevant then, this is multi-way

with kk you should be checking a lot in this spot.

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07-21-2019 , 03:17 AM

#37

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Originally Posted by WorldzMine

it's also our perceived range that's important. Doubt our opponents think we this board often so they can play pretty aggro and we don't want to stack off with kk on this flop...

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07-21-2019 , 07:17 AM

#38

Ojune

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Originally Posted by Fleetttt

solver actually check raises/calls this combo lol

I'm not surprise, we should defend by raising a lot when overfolding and it allows us to put a bunch of money before the board gets ugly

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07-21-2019 , 11:50 AM

#39

Fleetttt

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raising a lot OOP makes much sense GTO wise from what I understand.

One thing I did consider is, yes, we have the same combo's that hit this as villain does, but villains range given its composition is denser with the combos that hits this board. That's probably part of the reason solver wants to range check HU imo

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07-21-2019 , 12:11 PM

#40

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Originally Posted by Fleetttt

raising a lot OOP makes much sense GTO wise from what I understand.

One thing I did consider is, yes, we have the same combo's that hit this as villain does, but villains range given its composition [I]is denser with the combos that hits this board[/I]. That's probably part of the reason solver wants to range check HU imo

This is what I was trying (failing) to say, and when you go multi-way it's even denser, one thing I will say is you should always be very wary of villain who cold calls 3bet on these boards (given that they should mostly be 4betting AK/QQ in these positions).

HU check raising looks pretty good to me

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07-21-2019 , 12:25 PM

#41

Fleetttt

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Yea it make some sense. Check raising non diamond combos makes sense as well given we unblock villains draws. Cool.

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07-21-2019 , 04:10 PM

#42

amazin lazer

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lightbulb moments

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07-21-2019 , 04:18 PM

#43

Fleetttt

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