PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 54 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (SB): 178.9 BB
BB: 154.3 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 110.1 BB (VPIP: 16.79, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 143)
MP: 47.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 112.4 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 45)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB calls 8 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (27 BB, 3 players) T 7 9
Hero bets 15 BB, BB calls 15 BB, BTN raises to 45 BB and is all-in, Hero

This had has everything Blindbattle, shortstack, Multiway, 150BB effective stack, wet Flop ...

OTF I`m not sure how much to cbet in a 3bet Pot i tend to cbet less, mw and on a draw heavy board i size up.

The BB just coldcalls Preflop and just calls my cbet which make me think he isen`t very strong, he could have all Pairs from 77+ (AA rather not) and some A high FD.

The shortstack shoves but he called preflop with very good oods and could have anythink TP, FDs, SDs, middle pair +GS...

So just gii?

this is probably the nut worst board for you, I would start with a check on the flop, and see how the hand develops. this board smashes defender / cold caller's range. After, a bet, a call, and a shove, I would fold. It's probably like slightly breakeven if winning, and we also don't close action. Our other option is to punt to protect kings, I just prefer to fold, and wait for a better spot. Whatever you do, if BB stacks off, KK probably does not have as much equity as you think. For instance, we are basically in a dead heat against a hand like AJdd

Hi,

Preflop: Fine as played

1) Your 3 bet should force the shortstack to go 4 bet all in preflop vs your KK. Do not take a SS post flop. Invariably he is going to shove if he catches anything like third pair at these stakes

MW Post flop:

1) Mentally get ready to ditch your KK first You are OOP MW on a wet low board

2) check flop. fold any shove; Evaluate turn; Actually I am not worried about the shortstack but the BB who limped for the ride.

Flop is such a crystal clear check.

I don't think we have to check flop here. BTN is short so might be a fish/semi fish. BB can flat JJ-QQ and still have some Tx. Personally, I would cbet, but go a little smaller and be ready to bet/fold but continue barreling for value in good run outs.

Check is also an option and of course be prepared to fold to aggression.

x flop
easy fold ap

x flop, as played ship

That. I missed stack sizes in my previous post.

it can't be much better than 0ev, but I agree in theory that it is a shove. I just have reruns of coldcalling fish flatting waiting for the backraise with the nuts on boards like this playing in my head for this hand lol. We could honestly probably randomize this and shove sometimes and fold sometimes. We are going to see the nuts sometimes, draws that are flipping vs us sometimes, and stupid hands that have no business in the hand sometimes, so it is a pretty high variance spot.

your winrate definitely is not built on spots like this lol

Does anyone have a theoretical explanation for checking flop?

What is our range? (overpairs/broadways)
What are our opponents ranges? (middling pairs/suited connectors/broadways)

Whose equity goes up on this board considering the above ranges? (villains)

We should be playing pretty passively on these boards (especially multi-way) because if the money goes in it's a lock that the opponent(s) is going to have a tonne of equity range v range (more than ourselves).

So check flop but as played you should probably ship and pray BB goes away.

While I agree it's a very equalizing flop for villains, I still think our hand retains a small equity edge vs each individual range.

Is the check more about the fact we are multiway and our equity is lower?

it's a pot we're gonna lose a lot, might as well keep it small

hard to say if we are gonna lose it a lot no?

if this was HU vs BB we have like 52% equity, so I'm assuming we have to check and lose a lot because vs 2 players our equity share plummets to like 33% or so?

pretty easy to say

same as winning a lot on T22r

You're obsessed with equity but there are different kind of equities. Also having a profitable bet doesn't mean a check ain't superior.

Raw equity ≠ equity realization.

hmm still not really convinced, anyone explain with an example or something?

If BTN had 100bb would you be happy to see that raise?

Versus their range yeah maybe (if no more bets could go in postflop)

Still got flop/turn/river to play oop, very easy to get owned in this spot

Versus any action your in bad shape (equity wise, either flipping/drawing to 2 outs) and your just putting money in unnecessarily on a board where your range doesn't connect

Range disadvantage for these types of flops from these positions is the main one. Also OOP and multiway.

It's a check hu and OOP from these position too. Probably nearing a 100% frequency if it's not actually that.

TBQH I'd rather have A8dd than KK here lol

Run it through a solver or have somebody else do it if you aren't "convinced". Certain things like this situation aren't really up for debate. A solver will check range and while you can argue later streets given a solvers assumptions you can't argue a flop action that is pretty close to 100% minus random noise. You aren't right in this situation basically with zero percent doubt possible.

Yuuup

Would you rather put money in with a range advantage or a range disadvantage basically (which do you think is going to be profitable long-term)

do we have a range disadvantage though? Assuming we are playing 3b/fold in SB pre we still have T9s/T7s/79s, TT/99/77. At least I would. I might actually have more fd's than villain too, nut ones as well

gonna run it in solver see what it says