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Old 09-22-2018, 07:23 PM   #1
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NL10 different spots 2

1) what do you do here? ott?, i shove, i think i have a lot of equity, and fold equity, i had it label on fish, so he could have 99, tt, aj, maybe qq.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
SB: 97.9 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): 257.1 BB
UTG: 128.5 BB (VPIP: 13.64, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 23)
MP: 105.8 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 95)
CO: 247.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, UTG calls 15 BB, CO calls 15 BB, fold

Flop: (57 BB, 3 players) 8 3 J
Hero bets 27.2 BB, UTG calls 27.2 BB, fold

Turn: (111.4 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 211.9 BB and is all-in.

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2) i think it is a board for V to bluff ez. what do we do on his raise otr?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 19.57, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 114.1 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 55.1 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 150.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (CO): 488.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 6 2 2
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, BB calls 6.5 BB

River: (26.5 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 8.3 BB, BB raises to 35.5 BB, Hero............?


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3) what do you think ott and the river AP ? i would share the result after a few feedbacks

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 919.3 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
SB: 526.1 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 83.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 111.6 BB
CO: 331.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

UTG raises to 2.8 BB, fold, CO calls 2.8 BB, BTN calls 2.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Flop: (11.7 BB, 4 players) J 7 9
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB, fold

Turn: (38.7 BB, 3 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets 32 BB, fold, Hero calls 32 BB

River: (102.7 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 57.7 BB and is all-in

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4) what do you think ott and the river AP ? i would share the result after a few feedbacks


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 75 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (SB): 196.9 BB
BB: 106.4 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 17)
UTG: 944.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 304.6 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 9 7 8
Hero checks, BB bets 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BB bets 7.6 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, BB calls 14.4 BB

River: (56 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 168.9 BB and is all-in
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:31 PM   #2
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Re: NL10 different spots 2

1. Flop is probably a x for me. If V is a fish (stats don't seem too fishy to me but w/e) we can probably exploitatively bet like 1/2 pot-ish with our overpairs and then x/f AK. If you wanna cbet AK do like 1/3 pot. If we're interested in balance this is probably a range check, then a raise with AKs with BDNFD, JJ and QQ or something

AP idk how I feel about the turn shove. Your line seems pretty bluffy to me, as I'd imagine you'd probably want to milk this player with overpairs/JJ. Might work better as a x/r

2. Turn bet like 1/3 pot to deny equity to overcards. I think I like the 1/3 pot river bet to get called by ace high hands but once he raises we gotta fold. River bet is pretty thin/high variance to begin with

3. I think I like a donk range way more on this river if it's HU vs. UTG, who could have overpairs here. CO probably doesn't call us with anything worse besides worse jacks, but those all bet river anyway. By donking we remove what little bluffs CO has here.

4. Turn I'm fine with if you x/c straights and sets sometimes (do you??) but the 3x shove on the river is a total spew, what is this trying to accomplish? I don't think it's necessary to turn this into a bluff. Just bet like half pot and fold to a raise.

Edit: I'm not sure you understand why you should be overbetting. As I understand it, you should be overbetting hard when V has a capped range. Neither of these overbet spots met that criteria.

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Old 09-23-2018, 09:01 AM   #3
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Re: NL10 different spots 2

H1 - I would check this multiway. As played, shoving 200bb on the turn is silly. You can happily x/c turn and realize your equity that way.

H2 - Your sizings are too big/greedy. As the above poster said, this is a spot where you're just trying to make it unprofitable for overcards to continue. You gotta have small sizings in your arsenal too. Constantly bloating pots without nut hands will burn you.

H3 - Played fine

H4 - X/r turn is overplaying the hand. We're behind a chunk of his value range. There are a lot of tough river cards. I think this is a fine hand to call turn and a bunch of rivers with.
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Old 09-23-2018, 10:12 AM   #4
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Re: NL10 different spots 2

1 - its like everyone says. you don't really need a bluffing range there when your OOP against 2 opponents. Its also not optimal since a fish is always putting you on AK when you 3bet, so you're unlikely to make more when an A or K comes.

2 - You're sizing is obviously too big OTT unless you have a very aggressive image. Villain could have 6x (14-20 combos), maybe 5 combos of 2x, many Ax and some PP, so a bet is mandatory considering you're ahead of his range. But don't expect the average player to think you will exploit that by calling big bets with Ax (I don't think you'll bet big OTT there very often with air anyway). So a small bet to put him in a tough spot with the weakest part of his range is better. River is better as a check. When you bet and he raises, I would be surprised if he was bluffing.

3 - Flop is arguably a fold when villain takes this sizing. I'm not sure what the lead OTR is trying to accomplish? If villain was ahead (I think he was), you're still crushed. If he wasn't, you just stopped him from trying to bluff you. The only thing that you're bet does is maybe get some terrible calls from 97s. You're thought process there seems to be: ''WOW I made trips, trips is a good hand, so i'm gonna bet it... Oh no he has a full house/ straight!!! What a cooler.''

4 - I kinda like the way you played this one. Since BB range is wide preflop, you're hand should be ahead of his range OTT, so a raise is absolutely fine. What most people in this chat don't realize about the river is that its not a 3x pot shove, its just slightly over POT. So villain could call you with worse 2 pairs, AT, Ax of spades and maybe even 9x.
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Old 09-23-2018, 01:47 PM   #5
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Re: NL10 different spots 2

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1. Flop is probably a x for me. If V is a fish (stats don't seem too fishy to me but w/e) we can probably exploitatively bet like 1/2 pot-ish with our overpairs and then x/f AK. If you wanna cbet AK do like 1/3 pot. If we're interested in balance this is probably a range check, then a raise with AKs with BDNFD, JJ and QQ or something


AP idk how I feel about the turn shove. Your line seems pretty bluffy to me, as I'd imagine you'd probably want to milk this player with overpairs/JJ. Might work better as a x/r

2. Turn bet like 1/3 pot to deny equity to overcards. I think I like the 1/3 pot river bet to get called by ace high hands but once he raises we gotta fold. River bet is pretty thin/high variance to begin with

3. I think I like a donk range way more on this river if it's HU vs. UTG, who could have overpairs here. CO probably doesn't call us with anything worse besides worse jacks, but those all bet river anyway. By donking we remove what little bluffs CO has here.

4. Turn I'm fine with if you x/c straights and sets sometimes (do you??) but the 3x shove on the river is a total spew, what is this trying to accomplish? I don't think it's necessary to turn this into a bluff. Just bet like half pot and fold to a raise.

Edit: I'm not sure you understand why you should be overbetting. As I understand it, you should be overbetting hard when V has a capped range. Neither of these overbet spots met that criteria.
thanks for the feedback.

1- is the most weaked hand i think i play, i mean, im reviewing the hand and it was REALLY bad played post flop.

2- idk about the fold on the river, im playing a lot on NL10 and people overbluff to much, they are constantly trying to represent hand that, they dont have, i knew ALL the hand i was beating him thats why i bet big, and i call the river.

3- im agree on the thing you say that, donking we remove the posibility to v to bluff. But on this spot, i thought he had AA, KK and maybe QQ, i thought that, if i donk i get called by QQ+. Ofc we all have mistakes, i mean, in this spot, this wasent a spot where i thought i could get called ONLY by better hands, thats why i shove.

4- im not pushing bluffing here, im pushing for value, i put villan on 2weakers pairs and maybe son top pair. Like i say on long term this move make me win a lot of money, like in the other hand i thought i could get call by worse, or some Ax.

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H1 - I would check this multiway. As played, shoving 200bb on the turn is silly. You can happily x/c turn and realize your equity that way.

H2 - Your sizings are too big/greedy. As the above poster said, this is a spot where you're just trying to make it unprofitable for overcards to continue. You gotta have small sizings in your arsenal too. Constantly bloating pots without nut hands will burn you.

H3 - Played fine

H4 - X/r turn is overplaying the hand. We're behind a chunk of his value range. There are a lot of tough river cards. I think this is a fine hand to call turn and a bunch of rivers with.
first thanks for the feed back

1- this hand i think is the worse hand how i played it, so yes, im agree.

2- half pot ott is a BIG bet for you?, i think villan with any over pair 77+ its calling untill the river, why i have to put him on a 6 everytime he calls otf? he can have anything, im not agree with the line you say, thats why i bet 3 streets of pure value, idk im maybe loosing money in long term with this line, and i think i was ahead all the time, idk i didnt believe it.

4- yeh i like to swap between call and raise on those turns, but im agree what you said.




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1 - its like everyone says. you don't really need a bluffing range there when your OOP against 2 opponents. Its also not optimal since a fish is always putting you on AK when you 3bet, so you're unlikely to make more when an A or K comes.

2 - You're sizing is obviously too big OTT unless you have a very aggressive image. Villain could have 6x (14-20 combos), maybe 5 combos of 2x, many Ax and some PP, so a bet is mandatory considering you're ahead of his range. But don't expect the average player to think you will exploit that by calling big bets with Ax (I don't think you'll bet big OTT there very often with air anyway). So a small bet to put him in a tough spot with the weakest part of his range is better. River is better as a check. When you bet and he raises, I would be surprised if he was bluffing.

3 - Flop is arguably a fold when villain takes this sizing. I'm not sure what the lead OTR is trying to accomplish? If villain was ahead (I think he was), you're still crushed. If he wasn't, you just stopped him from trying to bluff you. The only thing that you're bet does is maybe get some terrible calls from 97s. You're thought process there seems to be: ''WOW I made trips, trips is a good hand, so i'm gonna bet it... Oh no he has a full house/ straight!!! What a cooler.''

4 - I kinda like the way you played this one. Since BB range is wide preflop, you're hand should be ahead of his range OTT, so a raise is absolutely fine. What most people in this chat don't realize about the river is that its not a 3x pot shove, its just slightly over POT. So villain could call you with worse 2 pairs, AT, Ax of spades and maybe even 9x.
thanks for the feedback.

1 - like above say it was really bad play.

2- im not agree, i think villan here is calling 3 streets with 77+. i think he thought that, i had anything on this bets, just overcards, and it was, he was bluffing with 44, not saying that on long term is the optimal play, but i feel i was ahead all time.

3- well, i think (because the sizing) that, he was trying to protect his hand, somthing like qq+. my shove otr is not like you say that "oh i have trips i shove", no, i was trying to get call by worse, on THIS particular spot i thought i was getting call by a worse hand. Ofc i was wrong, and im agree that shove is bad play but like say i put him on qq+

4- exactly, i put villan on 2 pairs, or maybe an Axs spades, or top pair.

I shove because i thought i was getting call by worse.


thanks everyone for the feedback here i show the results.

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