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NL 50 zoom 66 bluffcatch? NL 50 zoom 66 bluffcatch?

03-23-2018 , 03:10 PM
Curious if we should bluffcatch river here. Villian is an 24/22 after 45 hands.
This flop is a good one to rangebet in my opinion. I expect to be called by Tx, lower Poketpairs, but also a bunch of FDs, Ace high, Backdoor FD/SD type of hands. Since the pocketpairs likely X river, I think there might be enough air in villians range to call river here. Your thoughts?





    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932616

    Hero (BTN): $25.25 (101 bb)
    SB: $25.27 (101.1 bb)
    BB: $25.34 (101.4 bb)
    UTG: $32.79 (131.2 bb)
    MP: $51.34 (205.4 bb)
    CO: $25.35 (101.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

    Flop: ($1.10) T T 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.53, BB calls $0.53

    Turn: ($2.16) 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($2.16) K (2 players)
    BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50




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    NL 50 zoom 66 bluffcatch? Quote
    03-23-2018 , 03:24 PM
    WP
    Also you protect your hand OTF
    OTR there are enough bluffing combos to call this 2/3 pot bet
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    03-23-2018 , 03:26 PM
    Call
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    03-23-2018 , 03:38 PM
    As played, call is fine. If I’m using a smaller bluff sizing OTT, I might put this hand in the range for value to stop them being able to just hero K and A high as much.
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    03-23-2018 , 03:43 PM
    Thanks guys!
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    03-23-2018 , 06:14 PM
    I'd be calling the river most of the time too.

    Curious about your minraising the button. Has advantages but also encourages a call from the bb quite a large percentage of the time.
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    03-23-2018 , 06:53 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Last Laugh
    I'd be calling the river most of the time too.

    Curious about your minraising the button. Has advantages but also encourages a call from the bb quite a large percentage of the time.
    It does. But I don't think people defend as wide as they should. Also, many people press the fast forward button on zoom before even seeing the betsize. I give myself a better price on the bluff, loose less when I fold to a 3bet and also make it much easier to defend Vs 3bets because of smaller SPR. I adjust my betsize based on my opponent, if villains are passive and don't 3bet often, I'm gonna open bigger
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    03-23-2018 , 07:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Andy Art
    It does. But I don't think people defend as wide as they should. Also, many people press the fast forward button on zoom before even seeing the betsize. I give myself a better price on the bluff, loose less when I fold to a 3bet and also make it much easier to defend Vs 3bets because of smaller SPR. I adjust my betsize based on my opponent, if villains are passive and don't 3bet often, I'm gonna open bigger
    I like your reasoning, might adopt that myself
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    03-23-2018 , 09:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Andy Art
    It does. But I don't think people defend as wide as they should. Also, many people press the fast forward button on zoom before even seeing the betsize. I give myself a better price on the bluff, loose less when I fold to a 3bet and also make it much easier to defend Vs 3bets because of smaller SPR. I adjust my betsize based on my opponent, if villains are passive and don't 3bet often, I'm gonna open bigger
    i min raise on button as well, 50NL/100NL/200NL, works pritty good overall. Makes it easy to fold vs 3 bets etc. (as sb en bb 3 bet alot he ;l) en i can widen my range with that small size as well.
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    03-24-2018 , 04:40 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 88melonhead88
    I like your reasoning, might adopt that myself
    Thanks! and thanks all for your feedback!
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    03-24-2018 , 01:52 PM
    And what about 2.15x when opening from CO, MP and EP?
    Or why not min-opening there as well?
    Obviously we need to adjust sometimes but in gen
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    03-24-2018 , 01:57 PM
    The standard SBvsBB is 3x, however wht do u guys think about 4Xing vs those regs who defend more often there?
    Also when being deeper vs a whale...
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    03-24-2018 , 01:58 PM
    Cause thinning the field becomes more important, also, the valuepart of our range is bigger relatively speaking so building a bigger pot is nice. I open Min as a default in the CO as well in zoom, I go 2,5 in MP and 3x UTG. The important thing however is to always scan the field and deciding on the best size. More 3bets= smaller size, bad players=bigger size
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    03-24-2018 , 02:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mchares
    The standard SBvsBB is 3x, however wht do u guys think about 4Xing vs those regs who defend more often there?
    Also when being deeper vs a whale...
    Regs will 3bet you frequently, so open 4x is gonna hurt IMO and it's gonna be harder to defend 3bets. I use 2,5 X against regs. 4x against whales is appealing thou
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    03-24-2018 , 08:29 PM
    It's nice to see you are asking the correct questions.

    Call is fine, but it assumes V is bluffing enough. To properly analyze this situation you'd need to know his range and frequencies and count his bluffing combos and value combos and compare that to your pot odds.

    Most of his range is going to be KX/AX/ some bdfd, fd, bdsd 3x, 44-88 and some Tx that didn't raise. The AX portion of his range is likely the biggest single contributor and (likely) doesn't bluff. This leaves a value range of some TX (discounted since no raise), 3x (somewhat discounted since people will not defend their BB enough), some 66-88 which is pry also somewhat discounted as people generally don't vbet this thin, and then some KX. His KX would be hands like KQ/KJ floats and KX diamonds. If he is floating with hands like QJ/J9/98/54s/ some XXcc or even turning some weak AX into bluffs otr then as long as he is firing river with these hands you should be good.
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